i had my first real birthday party yesterday.
call me an irredeemable pagan, but i was massively excited about this, the whole thing was very special, i got a little emotional and i think my friends must have found it a little strange but it was just nice to be creature worshipped.
when i was a child my parents always used to tell people i didn't miss out by not celebrating my birthday but i did miss out.
Our first family birthday after leaving the org was our younger daughter's 17th. I bought her a huge card and wrote on it, "You were 1, happy birthday! You were 2, happy birthday! etc all the way up to her 17th. I had to suppress the sobs. How natural to celebrate my beautiful daughter's date of birth! This special day, every year, robbed by the cult. (They want the money usually spent, simple truth of it). Birthdays are a huge deal in our house now.
Many happy returns!
a new "fly-on-the-wall" documentary about the life of young mormon missionaries goes out this evening on channel 4.. .
I'm sure I heard Fritz Springmeier say in an interview there was (is?) a direct telephone link between Brooklyn and Salt Lake City. Anyone know
if this is true?
based upon descriptions in the bible and what is known scientifically so far, what would god actually be?
lightning comes out of the throne.
no man may see and live.
Phizzy: But if 'she' came only "claiming" to be the Supreme being, and not able to 'state' I AM then 'she's bogus.
i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.
i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?
to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .
Cofty: lol - thing is, however you want to define what it is I claim to possess, its giving me more and more happiness and stability. Don't know what else to say. I wish the same for you, and every other poster regardless of how you might get there.
i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.
i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?
to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .
Terry: I must point out to you that the bible cannot be an authority on ITSELF.
That's your opinion! I believe it can and it is because it alone is 'God-breathed'. That's my opinion! We shall just have to stick to our own opinions - and agree to disagree.
i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.
i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?
to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .
I Cor 12 7-11 does not include possessing 'an opinion' as being a gift of the Holy Spirit. One's opinion is subject to change. Faith is not, just subect to loss.
for me, that happy day was in morro bay, calif. it was the fall, oct 1958 or 9. gorgeous weather.
the sun was shining and the wind was coming off of the ocean.. at that time, morro bay was unassigned territory.. talesin on another thread was talking about a lovely day she had, going with her grandfather, talking with a mr languages.
lol.
The last time me and my two daughters went out, 2 weeks prior to leaving for good. The 'active force' prayed for exclusively by Jehovah's Witnesses and which gives them their strength to preach was not with us any more. We knew we had been freed of something evil. We lasted 8 minutes as 3 uninfluenced individuals, chucked our bags in the boot of the car and went home. A week later we trashed everything jw-related we found in the house. It was over.
so the rc really sucked, but i made it through.
the propaganda was mind blowing.
i don't know if the crap will be available on the official website or not, but hopefully it gets leaked somehow.
As a family we "woke up" in 2007. For the next five years we hung on, purely out of fear of leaving. This five years affected us all, but in different ways. I was a born-in, now convinced the org were nothing but liars and not God's 'organisation' at all. I began to despise in my heart everything wt- assemblies, meetings etc, and used the home phone link a lot. I hope they couldn't hear us at the other end - we let our feelings rip during the meeting parts unable to hold it in whilst absent from the kh. Hubby had been coerced into baptism through love-bombing some 27 years previously. He immersed himself in his computer and casually went through the motions, totally unfased. I was rage-filled and tried to wake my mum up - no chance there. She told me I was 'a cog in the wheel'. I lived with a mixture of fear combined with increasing desperation.
Eldest daughter 18, baptised at 14 went through a 'praying to Jehovah to sort his Governing Body out please' period. Youngest daughter, 16, also baptised at 14 picked up an electric guitar and learned to play it. I was in turmoil, very bitter with the org for lying to me for 55 years and angry with myself for being too scared to walk out.
Last DA June 2012. So mind controlling and sick (especially the Friday - me and 2 daughters came home and sank a large bottle of wine to recover our composure). Still we hugged one another and vowed, "even though its all wrong we HAVE to stick at it, God will sort it out - surely there is something radically wrong with the GB at the moment, yes, that's it". The last CA was only a few weeks later. We felt like aliens. At one point I and eldest daughter walked out, sick to the stomach at a question by the DO "Have you all got your plans drawn up ready for the house you're going to build in the new system?" Everyone else, "ha ha ha". I sat there and got quite verbal - loud enough for heads to turn. "Do more - do more - Oh Get lost!" that sort of thing. At lunch time we sat in the car to eat, couldn't bear to be in the hall, put on an ACDC video, wound down the windows and sang as loud as we could - oh it felt good to protest in this little way.
Decision made the following Wednesday never to go back - by all of us together. Eldest daughter then confided she had seriously come very close to hurling herself in front of a lorry three weeks previous. I had pondered ending it all at times too. Youngest daughter just said, "I stayed because you stayed - had I never been born into the jws I can tell you I could NEVER have become one." Hubby carried on computing - glad never to have to put a suit on ever again. Only NOW did we do some research via the internet. The shock of what we discovered was immense. They lied and lied and lied because the watchtower is a satanic cult. Period. We loved God still - the wt version of Him HAD to be erroneous and asked each other, could we remain associated with a satanic organisation even though it would mean losing family and the only 'friends' we had? The answer was letters of DA that week-end. This might be a point of note - whilst fading but attending meetings and assemblies you are exposing yourself to anti-Christian perverted 'doctrines of demons' even if you are only taking it in half-heartedly. Data-Dog is being chewed up having to be simply present whilst they are dishing up their vile 'spiritual' garbage, that's clear.
Looking back on that 5 years - it was a living nightmare for a family held captive through mind control and who therefore never even dared to glimpse at anything 'apostate' which would have no doubt got us out earlier. But it turned out that in our case, the WT ITSELF freed us from the concept - of being God's sole channel, by false promises of "a new world soon" that they used like the "donkey and the carrot" parody. Why would 'Gods channel lie continually?" SOON for, 20, 30, 40 , 50 years? Liars. Liars. That is all it took. Woken up in one minute. Lurkers - just be honest and act on your gut feelings straight away. Faders who know TTAT, IF at all possible, for our circumstances greatly differ - if you can, just get out now would be my advice - the org is a death-dealing, soul-destroying place.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Cofty: Very interesting. Thanks for educating me on this.
Kate: Describes a 13 yr old boy at church who is the life and soul of the youth group. His mum knows he is likely to be gay. Love is unconditional. I was pointing out that this recent lost court case will force Christians who run a Guest House to make one of 2 choices.
this seems to be a real worry for 'faders' on a number of threads.
the responses to ducati's first posting.
is a good example.
I was referring to their possible membership on here, "hiding what they are".
