Posts by abbasgreta

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FAITH is another word for OPINION

by Terry in

i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.

i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?

to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .

abbasgreta

I Cor 12 7-11 does not include possessing 'an opinion' as being a gift of the Holy Spirit. One's opinion is subject to change. Faith is not, just subect to loss.

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In your memory, what was the nicest day you had out in field service?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

for me, that happy day was in morro bay, calif. it was the fall, oct 1958 or 9. gorgeous weather.

the sun was shining and the wind was coming off of the ocean.. at that time, morro bay was unassigned territory.. talesin on another thread was talking about a lovely day she had, going with her grandfather, talking with a mr languages.

lol.

abbasgreta

The last time me and my two daughters went out, 2 weeks prior to leaving for good. The 'active force' prayed for exclusively by Jehovah's Witnesses and which gives them their strength to preach was not with us any more. We knew we had been freed of something evil. We lasted 8 minutes as 3 uninfluenced individuals, chucked our bags in the boot of the car and went home. A week later we trashed everything jw-related we found in the house. It was over.

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I am on the edge of a freak out ..... I think???

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

so the rc really sucked, but i made it through.

the propaganda was mind blowing.

i don't know if the crap will be available on the official website or not, but hopefully it gets leaked somehow.

abbasgreta

As a family we "woke up" in 2007. For the next five years we hung on, purely out of fear of leaving. This five years affected us all, but in different ways. I was a born-in, now convinced the org were nothing but liars and not God's 'organisation' at all. I began to despise in my heart everything wt- assemblies, meetings etc, and used the home phone link a lot. I hope they couldn't hear us at the other end - we let our feelings rip during the meeting parts unable to hold it in whilst absent from the kh. Hubby had been coerced into baptism through love-bombing some 27 years previously. He immersed himself in his computer and casually went through the motions, totally unfased. I was rage-filled and tried to wake my mum up - no chance there. She told me I was 'a cog in the wheel'. I lived with a mixture of fear combined with increasing desperation.

Eldest daughter 18, baptised at 14 went through a 'praying to Jehovah to sort his Governing Body out please' period. Youngest daughter, 16, also baptised at 14 picked up an electric guitar and learned to play it. I was in turmoil, very bitter with the org for lying to me for 55 years and angry with myself for being too scared to walk out.

Last DA June 2012. So mind controlling and sick (especially the Friday - me and 2 daughters came home and sank a large bottle of wine to recover our composure). Still we hugged one another and vowed, "even though its all wrong we HAVE to stick at it, God will sort it out - surely there is something radically wrong with the GB at the moment, yes, that's it". The last CA was only a few weeks later. We felt like aliens. At one point I and eldest daughter walked out, sick to the stomach at a question by the DO "Have you all got your plans drawn up ready for the house you're going to build in the new system?" Everyone else, "ha ha ha". I sat there and got quite verbal - loud enough for heads to turn. "Do more - do more - Oh Get lost!" that sort of thing. At lunch time we sat in the car to eat, couldn't bear to be in the hall, put on an ACDC video, wound down the windows and sang as loud as we could - oh it felt good to protest in this little way.

Decision made the following Wednesday never to go back - by all of us together. Eldest daughter then confided she had seriously come very close to hurling herself in front of a lorry three weeks previous. I had pondered ending it all at times too. Youngest daughter just said, "I stayed because you stayed - had I never been born into the jws I can tell you I could NEVER have become one." Hubby carried on computing - glad never to have to put a suit on ever again. Only NOW did we do some research via the internet. The shock of what we discovered was immense. They lied and lied and lied because the watchtower is a satanic cult. Period. We loved God still - the wt version of Him HAD to be erroneous and asked each other, could we remain associated with a satanic organisation even though it would mean losing family and the only 'friends' we had? The answer was letters of DA that week-end. This might be a point of note - whilst fading but attending meetings and assemblies you are exposing yourself to anti-Christian perverted 'doctrines of demons' even if you are only taking it in half-heartedly. Data-Dog is being chewed up having to be simply present whilst they are dishing up their vile 'spiritual' garbage, that's clear.

Looking back on that 5 years - it was a living nightmare for a family held captive through mind control and who therefore never even dared to glimpse at anything 'apostate' which would have no doubt got us out earlier. But it turned out that in our case, the WT ITSELF freed us from the concept - of being God's sole channel, by false promises of "a new world soon" that they used like the "donkey and the carrot" parody. Why would 'Gods channel lie continually?" SOON for, 20, 30, 40 , 50 years? Liars. Liars. That is all it took. Woken up in one minute. Lurkers - just be honest and act on your gut feelings straight away. Faders who know TTAT, IF at all possible, for our circumstances greatly differ - if you can, just get out now would be my advice - the org is a death-dealing, soul-destroying place.

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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild in

i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

abbasgreta

Cofty: Very interesting. Thanks for educating me on this.

Kate: Describes a 13 yr old boy at church who is the life and soul of the youth group. His mum knows he is likely to be gay. Love is unconditional. I was pointing out that this recent lost court case will force Christians who run a Guest House to make one of 2 choices.

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Worry Over Possible "Spying Elders"

by abbasgreta in

jw
friends

this seems to be a real worry for 'faders' on a number of threads.

the responses to ducati's first posting.

is a good example.

abbasgreta

I was referring to their possible membership on here, "hiding what they are".

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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild in

i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

abbasgreta

Lisa: I don't know how the 'discriminated against 'right-wing' (antigay?) Christian' in your scenario would react. I don't know any. BUT, if ALL Christians were refused service by the only store owner in town who, as a gay person, banned them from his shop, all the xians I know (me too) would just get in their cars and shop in the next town even though of course refusal to serve them would be neither 'right of fair'. The crux of the matter is - they could and would not instigate proceedings which may result in the gay person's financial ruination.

Cofty: Your question about a shop sign banning black people. Surely this question could only be relevant if todays date was 5/6/64? It is impossible that such a sign could be dispayed in 2014. Black people were banned due to racial prejudice and they couldn't change their skin colour. Adopting an alternative sexual lifestyle is a personal choice. Is it a good comparison?

The Bull's case and my motive for relating it, was that it sets the precedent that discrimination (in this case refusing a gay couple a double room in a guest house) based on one's religious convictions will NOT in the future hold up in court and will be referred to by any defence team. This means that now, any Christian guest-house owner in Britain has only 2 alternatives: to either ignore their consciences or sell up.

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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild in

i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

abbasgreta

DJS Non-gay unmarried couples were refused a double room by the Guest House owners too. They weren't just 'singling out' gay couples only. Their reasons for refusal were 'religious grounds' in both situations. The gay couple were told all this and still sued them. Everyone else just found somewhere more 'liberal' to stay I suppose.

My point was indeed that 'religious convictions' cannot now be used as a defense in such cases. Serious life/career-changing stuff.

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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild in

i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

abbasgreta

Cofty: I have edited it - I forgot something relevant which pertains to your comment. Perhaps you would re-read it?

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JW refuses to provide wedding stationery to Gay couple

by KateWild in

i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.

i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.

i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.

abbasgreta

A Christian couple were running a successful Guest House in the South-West of England. Their consciences permitted only

married couples to book double rooms - by this term they meant a 'man and woman' couple. I don't know if their ads mentioned this or

if it was expressly advertised as a 'Christian' Guest House. However I believe it was not necessary for a 'married couple' who arrived for

booking-in to be questioned about their status.

NO unmarried couple, who were 'refused such accommodation ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS' either by phone/internet or as walk-ins,

IF offended by their stance, took any action against them in the decades they ran the establishment.

They refused to book some walk-ins, a gay couple, into a double room. They offered them 2 singles, which the gay couple refused.

They are NOT homophobics (hatred for anyone is anti-Christian and abhorrent to them), but their consciences could not permit this situation

and they explained that their declining them a double room was based ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS, EXACTLY the same as for an unmarried couple.

(What is 'morally right and wrong' is not the point of this posting.)

The gay couple sued them for discrimination based on sexual orientation. The Christian couple lost at court and had to pay substantial damages and court costs which

resulted in them closing the guest house and having to put it up for sale.

They took their case to the European Court of Appeal but again their 'religious conviction' citings were NOT HELD UP and they lost that too.

They are financially ruined and now have no means of income to support themselves.

So it would appear that 'religious convictions' have no bearing whatsoever in a 'sexually-oriented discimination' law-suit.

What do you make of this case?

(ps This is a true story, retold as best as my memory serves me. Happened last year).

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Worry Over Possible "Spying Elders"

by abbasgreta in

jw
friends

this seems to be a real worry for 'faders' on a number of threads.

the responses to ducati's first posting.

is a good example.

abbasgreta

I tried googling "imposter" to determine if such an elder could be breaking the law, or possibly Human Rights, as their

intentions are to ultimately destroy their 'target's' relationship with their family through the disfellowshipping that would

ensue. Also their 'spying' and subsequent reporting of their 'evidence' would ultimately result in the fader losing their right to religious freedom

( to be a jw) which is deffo a Human Rights violation. Sadly, didn't get very far.

To any 'spying elder' possibly reading this, you are a despicable, deceitful low-life using satanic 'crafty acts' to destroy lives.

This is what the organisation has made you into. "Outside (the kingdom of God) are to be found ALL LIARS". Rev 22:15