do you get confused sometimes whether this site is a discussion forum or a debating forum ?.
just asking.
whats your thoughts.. smiddy.
Smiddy,
Do you get confused sometimes whether this site is a discussion forum or a debating forum ?
Really? Are you going soft on us? You have a lot of interesting, intelligent posts on this site so keep up the good work and don't worry about "debaters". Debate-discuss, What's the difference, it's just a word.
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
I'm surprised that the GB still publishes the 'real' numbers, if in fact these are the real numbers. The negative stats reveal a trend that IMHO will soon be showing up in many more countries as the "Armageddon sooooon" lie becomes more apparent.
I'm sure that if the GB prayed over it, received "nu lite", and got jehobers blessing, the negative numbers could somehow become positive by "overlapping" the stats and/or by accepting "some fractions" from other doner countries. Of course, the GB would not accept 'whole' numbers from doner countries, but "fractions" could possibly save some of the 'dying' countries.
Just sayhing!
eyeuse2badub
today is my first post on jwd, i was one of jehovahs witness for almost 50 years of my life, i was born into the religion.
i was baptized at a young age and once i got married i was a very spiritual woman as they would call me.
my husband and i served as full time pioneers, we traveled abroad and went to international conventions, did some special pioneer service in other states in the us.
Hi Samaritan
" I was baptized at a young age and once I got married I was a very spiritual man as they would call me. My husband and I served as full time pioneers, we traveled abroad and went to International convention. We were even thinking of going into the Circuit Work. That is how deep into this religion we were. My husband was an elder and I was his spiritual wife by his side for decades."
Welcome
Your story is much like mine except that I'm the Husband in my story. Nearly 6 decades for me. Baptized at 12, giving public talks at 18, married at 19, appointed as an elder at 23. Over 2 decades as an elder. I was a 'golden child' for the wtbts. Circuit assembly parts at 20. Wife and I talked about circuit work and damn glad we had children instead. It was not just one particular thing that helped me see ttatt, it was many things. Oh yea, the fear and guilt of "looking behind the curtain" hindered my exit and in addition I was the COBE at the time I'd had enough. I really though that I was all alone in my disgust for the wtbts but I was willing to go it alone if necessary. I "resigned" as an elder and started searching the internet for other "evil apostates" like myself. lol. Read CofC and knew that Ray was telling the "whole"truth. Read a few other books to help me realize what power the wtbts had over people.
Unfortunately, my wife is still in but there is hope as I see her accepting the "new me" and not 'guilt tripping' on me. She's starting to see the fallacy of the wtbts but all of her friends and family are dubs as are mine. It's been an amazing 5-6 year ride out of the wtbts but the self discovery has been so worth it.
Hope to see some of your other posts soon.
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
well, i made comments on a couple of post already, but i guess i should somehow introduce myself.
i choose the user name to hopefully try and identify my past while working for future changes in myself.
ive been in and out since i was a kid.
Hi Recovering,
I was a dub for 57 years. Always had serious doubts about our weird little religion, but being raised in"da troof" you just sort of close your mind to rational, logical thinking and go along. My whole family are jw's and that makes it difficult. When I finally could not go along any longer with the ridiculous crap that the wtbts was teaching, I resigned as an elder and kinda went crazy for several years. I should have been seeing a therapist, didn't and I suffered much mental anguish. I became very depressed and finally checked myself into a mental health facility where I got help dealing with my cognitive dissonance.
When I finally accepted ttatt and told my wife (of 45 years) about how I felt, she was going to leave me because I was an "evil apostate" you know. Been out mentally (sort of faded away) now for 5-6 years but not df'ed or da'ed. My wife is beginning to understand also that the 'da troof' is not 'da troof'. It's been quite a ride (as many of us here can testify) but well worth the anguish since my life is now mine. The freedom is exhilarating! Time to pursue the things I loved but neglected is very rewarding/satisfying. My wife, though still active as a dub, has seen a happier, better me and I know that she knows why. You can't go back in time to reclaim all those lost decades but, you can live a very fulfilling life now and in the future.
Hang tuff because it will get better and hopefully (if you want it) your wife will someday see ttatt. You're doing the right thing by getting therapy.
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.
this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.
it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.
Sorry about my last post. Just got carried away and off point with my rant. lol
just ranting!
eyeuse2badub
i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.
this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.
it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.
The wtbts is an American/English speaking religion/corporation born and raised right here in the 'good ol' USA. Education/knowledge is of course the enemy of a cult.
When the new revised NW translation came out in 2013, my wife, and nearly every other jw that I knew, were very giddy about this new bible aka silver sword. The new revised bible was proof of jehobers blessing! So, I sort of annoyed her when I pointed out that jehober must only love and bless the english speaking dubs-at least for now.
How can the 100's of other language groups possibly 'keep up with jehober's celestial chariot" when they don't have the "silver sword"?
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.
now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.
try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).
The wtbts doesn't even properly care for the older DO's, CO's and missionaries much less for any "widows and orphans".
Jesus once said (supposedly) "if you do it to the least of these my brothers, you do it to me". So think about it, How does the wtbts provide/take care of the older "widowed, orphaned" anointed ones. The wtbts doesn't even know who the anointed are (maybe a few 'biggies' in and around NYC), but they sure as h**l know every CO, DO, pioneer, missionary, etc. So who is more important to the wtbts? It's a joke!
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.
now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.
try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).
JWs do all kinds of "good works" for their fellow man. And, just like Christ's return, their works are invisible!
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
so after nearly 15 to 19 years of not attending a convention, i can't recall exactly, i went to one last year.
the brother giving the talk was from bethel and was introduced as a helper of the governing body.
it was a title i never heard of before.
For many years now, the number of the remnant of anointed Witnesses has been decreasing, while the number of the great crowd has increased beyond our grandest expectations
"Announcement", The Watchtower, April 15, 1992, page 31
"Organizing for Further Expansion", 1993 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, ©Watch Tower, pages 253-254
The FACTS show the above statement to be FALSE/misleading/lies. The number of the "anointed" has basically remained the same for over 40 years according to stats in the year books.
GB flunkies, A.K.A. (acronym for Another Kiss Ass?) HELPERS are being groomed to be GB'ers. All they need is for jehober to send the "holy spirit" to anoint them. Once they are "anointed" they too will receive 'nu-lite'. Can't wait!
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
i met an aging, well, late sixties, pioneer sister a few days back, from a congregation four removes away, and a different circuit to my old congo.
i have known her since i was a kid.. i wasn't quite sure at first if she knew our "status" as we exchanged pleasantries, but it soon became clear she knew exactly our situation, that we walked away a few years ago.. she asked me about my views on life now, and listened respectfully, and said she appreciated my view, but a couple of questions that she threw at me, as in the thread title, showed that she was surprised that mrs phizzy and i had not gone off the rails after we left.. the mind control goes so very deep does it not ?
she was surprised that our marriage hadn't failed, and that we were now happy.. i wonder if she will ever make the connection that the jw org has lied to her about those of us who leave ?.
Zoos,
Ditto
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
