I agree that the 'still-in' jw's are aging. I really think that it's a universal dilemma with all religions! The information age is killing superstition and tradition. Reality sometimes really sucks, but at least it's real!
just saying!
eyeuse2badub
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THE AGEING OF STILL-ACTIVE WITNESSES
by steve2 inseveral years ago i started a thread on this forum in which i asserted i had not seen witnesses door-knocking in my village for at least two or so years.
years before that - in pre-trolley times - in going about my business (or pleasure), i'd catch sight of them on the streets as they shuffled in their groups from door-to-door: sometimes there'd be contingents of witnesses, including young couples, parents and their kids and middle-aged and older ones.
in other words, a good cross-section of ages and stages in life.. in fact, i can remember times when witnesses were so visible in numbers when going out in their car groups, you literally couldn't escape them.. then, in more recent years, i've seen very, very little...if not anything (and i count myself sensitive to noting whether jws are out and about).
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2520-607 = 1913
by schnell ini love math, i love calendars, and somehow, this always gets me.. 2520 - 607 = 1913. not 1914.. 2520 - 606 = 1914. from what i understand, russell realized this.
he had previously used 606 bc, of course, but then he switched it to 607 bc.
i know there was something about no zero year, so it actually should be less one, correct?.
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eyeuse2badub
Yep and all the marvelous reasoning used by the wtbts about 7 (years) x 360 (days in a Jewish month) = 2,520 years except that in the supposed fulfillment of that mathematical bible prophecy, it's pretty f**king amazing that they use the Jewish calendar for the calculation and the Julian calendar for the fulfillment. Big difference of 37.5 years! But, by applying the wtbts 'math-magic' formula of "it don't matter in this case"= we must be right because god chose us, then you have the magical number that you want 1914 plus or minus 37.5 years. See how easy it is to understand the bible!
just saying!
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Kingdom Hall Master Plan. - letter - Consolidation.
by Lostandfound injust seen reference to a recent letter read to congregations about this, anyone got more info please?.
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eyeuse2badub
When ever I get a chance, I bring up this subject;
"Less KH's now needed"'
the jw's I still hang with repeat the canned response is, "Isn't it wonderful how jehober has helped the org to see the need to fully utilize the existing kh's!" So I respond, "If only we could fill the 220 seats in our kh with the 120 jw's in our area" lol
just saying!
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Millions now living will never die
by stillin inbut pretty much all of them are now dead.
and so are billions of others.
so, god doesn't desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance?
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eyeuse2badub
"Millions now living will never die!"=Old lite
"Billions now living will will soon die!" = 'New lite'
just saying!
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How do JW's determine a person is anointed?
by thinker11 ini've always wondered about this.
when a person believes they made a spiritual connection with god and proclaims themselves as anointed, how do they determine whether this person is anointed or not.
does a group of elders look at the person's spiritual resume and check off the person's pioneer stats, bible knowledge, attendance, work ethic, personality, etc and then believe in the person if they have a good track record?
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eyeuse2badub
Every jw was of the 'anointed' till the magic number got to be too big! lol As I grew up in the borg, all those claiming to be 'anointed' were very weird people. I figured that it was because they were on a different plane that us earthlings. Now I know that it's all just a figment of their imagination and anyone who wants to be of the 'anointed' just needs to show up and consume some wine and crackers.
I love the fact that number has been increasing steadily for many years now. Got to be a huge worry for the gb!
just saying!
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Jehovah sure loves foreskins!
by rebel8 inan atheist (never jw) friend of mine is an rv for a jw who he is trying to deprogram.
he started this totally on his own and just telling me about it.
it's quite amusing what he comes up with.. point 1: why the s & m stuff with foreskins?
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eyeuse2badub
So jehober created Adam physically perfect---right? Why would he later require the mutilation of the perfect penis? It just doesn't make sense now does it? It's one of those bible mysteries I guess.
I always thought it was pretty strange that Saul demanded David to bring him 100 foreskins as a sort of bride price for his daughter. Good old David brought 200 instead. Maybe those Philistines had 2 penis each!
Anyway, I think the 'new light' appropriate jw term is now "overlapping skin" not foreskin!
just saying!
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Has Robert Ciranko replaced Don Adams as president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania ?
by EdenOne inrobert ciranko has been a "helper" of the governing body in the writing department.. don adams (born 1925, presumably 91 years old now) has been president of the wtbts since 2000. .
however, in recent official posts (april 2016), robert ciranko is identified as "president of the watch tower".
does anybody know what happened and if this is an official change?.
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eyeuse2badub
This would be a very typical jw move. A total lack of transparency! Not only do jw's not know what they believe anymore, they also don't know who their 'spirit appointed' leaders are!
Maybe they will come up with a 'new light' policy that the "lifers" must retire at 90! Those 'old geezers' may be slowing down the fast moving celestial chariot!
just saying!
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All About The Words We Used
by dubstepped inin the time since i've left the borg behind i've had a few things hit me as to how words were used.
i'm wondering if anyone else has some similar examples, but here are some things that have made me think:.
watchtower - my whole life i saw this as a thing of protection from outside evil forces, and then when i left someone pointed out "isn't that what they used to keep people in prison".
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eyeuse2badub
My absolute favorite is;
THEOCRATIC WARFARE. To a normal person this means a war involving a government that claims to be 'god ruled'.
To a jw it means; it's okay to lie if the wt says so!
just saying!
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How Do JWs Reconcile Contradictions Between Mt. and Lk. and Their Birth Stories?
by Saename indoes anybody know how jehovah's witnesses reconcile the contradictions between the stories of jesus' birth as found in matthew and luke?
when i was a jehovah's witness, i wasn't even aware of this contradiction; i simply thought that all of it happen—namely that there was a census (luke 2) and the slaughter of the innocents (matthew 2) simultaneously.
but at the time i didn't know that the census took place in 6 ce and that herod the great died in 4 bce, thus placing those birth stories 10 years apart in time.
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eyeuse2badub
Like Simon said, "Listen, Obey, and be blessed" or get the f**k out!
just saying!
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All About The Words We Used
by dubstepped inin the time since i've left the borg behind i've had a few things hit me as to how words were used.
i'm wondering if anyone else has some similar examples, but here are some things that have made me think:.
watchtower - my whole life i saw this as a thing of protection from outside evil forces, and then when i left someone pointed out "isn't that what they used to keep people in prison".
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eyeuse2badub
soon to a normal person means--well soon, To a jw it means never!
evidently to a normal person that means facts, evidence to back it up. To a jw it means conjure up some random events and give them meaning!
jehovah to a normal person means the war god of the nomadic ancient hebrews. To a jw it means everything.
jesus to a normal person means a person who lived a peaceful, inspiring life and encouraged others to do the same. To a jw it means nothing!
just saying!