Posts by doughnutkitty

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"Truth Brings Not Peace, But A Sword" talk Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 convention

by doughnutkitty in

i'm at the convention now (by parental force) and i just heard in the saturday talk "truth brings not peace, but a sword" about how it's a terrible "torture stake" that witnesses are disinherited by their worldly families when they choose to join the jehovah's witness religion and how awful and painful that is for a person to endure.

switch the situation around and you'll find it is exactly what happens to those who choose to leave the organization, but only then is it okay because "disfellowshipped people need to be disciplined"?

this is absolutely ridiculous.

doughnutkitty

@FaithfulWitness I live in Australia. The area that I live in just had the 2013 district convention which ended today.

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"Truth Brings Not Peace, But A Sword" talk Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 convention

by doughnutkitty in

i'm at the convention now (by parental force) and i just heard in the saturday talk "truth brings not peace, but a sword" about how it's a terrible "torture stake" that witnesses are disinherited by their worldly families when they choose to join the jehovah's witness religion and how awful and painful that is for a person to endure.

switch the situation around and you'll find it is exactly what happens to those who choose to leave the organization, but only then is it okay because "disfellowshipped people need to be disciplined"?

this is absolutely ridiculous.

doughnutkitty

@WitnessMyFury Yes, yes it does indeed. It's feels great to see through all the crap that others are taking so much to heart. I feel so sorry for all of the people here, all the clueless people. I really do hope there are others like me here today. But oh my goodness, some of the things I have heard today are just ridiculous. I've had quite a few moments where I've found myself utterly horrified by what is being said. I'm so glad and thankful that I was lucky enough to be awakened before I got myself in too deep with this organization of lies and deceit.

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"Truth Brings Not Peace, But A Sword" talk Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 convention

by doughnutkitty in

i'm at the convention now (by parental force) and i just heard in the saturday talk "truth brings not peace, but a sword" about how it's a terrible "torture stake" that witnesses are disinherited by their worldly families when they choose to join the jehovah's witness religion and how awful and painful that is for a person to endure.

switch the situation around and you'll find it is exactly what happens to those who choose to leave the organization, but only then is it okay because "disfellowshipped people need to be disciplined"?

this is absolutely ridiculous.

doughnutkitty

I'm at the convention now (by parental force) and I just heard in the Saturday talk "Truth Brings Not Peace, But A Sword" about how it's a terrible "torture stake" that witnesses are disinherited by their worldly families when they choose to join the Jehovah's Witness religion and how awful and painful that is for a person to endure. Switch the situation around and you'll find it is exactly what happens to those who choose to leave the organization, but only then is it okay because "disfellowshipped people need to be disciplined"? This is absolutely ridiculous. In fact, this convention and the content of it is beyond ridiculous.

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"Worldly people don't love the same as Jehovah's Witnesses"

by Comatose in

in a conversation with my mum she said, "son the friends love you and care about you so much.

they would die for you.

that's something you don't find in the world.

doughnutkitty

My mum and dad tell me the same thing; that when it boils down to it, "worldly people" don't care about you as much as the brothers and sisters in the congregation do, and that they would never be there for you when things get hard. In my experience, that isn't true. All the close friends I have and have ever had in my life have been "of the world". I've found that people who aren't JWs actually care about you as a person, not about how spiritual you are or if you're "good association" or not. Cliques in the congregations I've been in always excluded me. It goes to show that "love" within this religion is always only ever conditional.

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I really need some help to get out of this religion

by doughnutkitty in

hi, i've been lurking on this site for quite a while after recently having doubts about the "truth".

i've read a lot of posts about problems with the doctrines, mind control, the beliefs, brainwashing that jehovah's witnesses and their literature, as well as their history.

now only being a sixteen year old born in who isn't baptized or unbaptized, i've come to find all this information incredibly overwhelming.

doughnutkitty

Wow, thank you all so much for your support, helpful words and suggestions. I really, really do appreciate it very much. I'll definitely try my hardest to apply what you have all said and suggested.

@BluePill2: I found what you said to be very helpful. I've been making all these scenarios up in my head and it's been doing my head in. I'll make sure I always try to remember that phrase "slice by slice", particularly because I have a horrific tendency to take the whole cake and try and eat it in one go (figuratively speaking, of course :p).

@Zeb: I'm thinking about studying sociology at university because I'm interested in that type of thing. Of course, I'm sure I'll change my mind about what I want to study exactly, but I'm sure I'll find something that I like.

@Narcissistic Supply: Aw, thank you. I've never really felt like I've had a "license to freedom", but now I'm beginning to see that I do indeed have one.

@Ding: I'll give reading the old WT literature a go and I'll have a sit down and try reading the bible books with an open and "WT-free" mind. And, in all honesty, I've never attended a study of just the bible where it's read verse by verse, paragraph by paragraph before. The only thing for me that comes close to it is the bible reading during the Theocratic Ministry School.

@ABibleStudent: Wow, thank you so much. Your (very long) list will prove to be very helpful for me to keep focused on leaving and not getting sucked back into that void of mindless thinking. The classes I'm currently taking at school are the ones that I'm interested in (e.g. history, geography, english).

@DATA-DOG: My parents have never really pressured me to get baptized, they've always just left it up to me to decide when I'm ready, but of course, the expectation is and was still always there. Thankfully for me, my parents haven't always been very strict strict strict with regards to the religion, but they've never really had to be because my sibling and I are very quiet and well-behaved in JW religious standards. I haven't been to the DC yet as it's scheduled to be in three months or so, and as much as I don't want to go, I do look forward to picking apart and criticising the talks given while munching on food. hehehe

@DesirousOfChange: I know, I have gotten some very good advice here. I'm very thankful, and hopefully it will be able to help others in my situation or a situation somewhat similar to mine.

Since I have to regularly attend all of the meetings, I'll use that time to really try and critically analyze the Watchtower, the talks given, etc. I actually have noticed lately the WT's use of "..." within quotes and scriptures which I never really took notice of before.

Thank you all and I'll definitely take advantage of the being able to vent and "blow off steam" on this site. Having "awoken" from the deceptions and untruths of this religion at such a young age is definitely a hard thing, but I can't imagine how much harder it would have been for all of you that were baptized and devoted for many years, only to find out the same things that I am just finding out myself. I don't think I would ever be able to get baptized with a sound conscience knowing the things that I do. What's funny is how blatantly obvious it is that there is something not right with the religion, but so so many people choose to block it out, close their eyes, pretend they never noticed and carry on "happily" with their lives, exactly just like the organization wants them to. I find it actually quite sad.

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I really need some help to get out of this religion

by doughnutkitty in

hi, i've been lurking on this site for quite a while after recently having doubts about the "truth".

i've read a lot of posts about problems with the doctrines, mind control, the beliefs, brainwashing that jehovah's witnesses and their literature, as well as their history.

now only being a sixteen year old born in who isn't baptized or unbaptized, i've come to find all this information incredibly overwhelming.

doughnutkitty

Hi, I've been lurking on this site for quite a while after recently having doubts about the "truth". I've read a lot of posts about problems with the doctrines, mind control, the beliefs, brainwashing that Jehovah's Witnesses and their literature, as well as their history. Now only being a sixteen year old born in who isn't baptized or unbaptized, I've come to find all this information incredibly overwhelming. I've always wondered about things in different areas, like why people should mindlessly devote their lives and themselves to Jehoavh without critical thought. Despite this, I only really started having doubts about a month or two ago when I started to become very close friends with a "worldly" boy who was interested in me and my religion, but decided the religion wasn't for him.

I am just finding all this information hard to deal with, especially since I still have to attend meetings with the rest of my family and act like everything is the same (although I expressed to my parents that I don't have, and probably never will have, a desire to be in the religion). I'm finding it very difficult to get out of the mindset that I have the "true religion" and all of the rest of the typical brainwashed Jehovah's Witness thoughts.

I have a plan to get out: slowly drift from the other young ones in the religion (which isn't too much of a problem considering I don't have all too many friends there anyway), finish high school (preferrably without getting kicked of home, but if push comes to shove, I have a very close worldly best friend whose mum would let me live with them), take a year off and save up money for university and cease going to meetings, go to university and live on campus, then whatever comes after that.

What I need help with is how to deal with these incredibly overwhelming emotions that I'm doing something wrong by wanting to leave, how to become more independent from my family (I'm very dependent, even in small areas), how to deal with continuing going to meetings, and how to prove to myself that this is not the true religion as it claims to be. Help please?