Posts by robhic

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Watchtower is NOT Inspired and NOT Infallible

by UnDisfellowshipped in

"it is vital that we ... respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god ..." (the watchtower, june 15, 1957, page 371).

"then we will no longer be babies.

we will not be tossed about like a ship that the waves carry one way and then another.

robhic

Q. Who became the editor [of the Watchtower] when [the editorial committee] was discontinued? A. Jehovah God. Q. And who wrote the magazine under the direction of Almighty God? A. Various individuals contributed to the magazine, Judge Rutherford, and others.... Q. I understand that you say that in 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued naming the editorial committee, and then Jehovah God became the editor, that is correct? A. Jehovah's editorship was indicated thereby citing Isaiah 54:13....It was appreciated that Jehovah God really is the One who is editing the paper, and therefore the naming of an editorial committee was out of place. Q: At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right? Franz: He is today the editor of the paper. Q: How long has He been editor of the paper? Franz: Since its inception he has been guiding it. Q: Even before 1931? Franz: Yes, sir.(Testimony of Fred W. Franz, Cross-examination, Moyle v. Rutherford, et al., 1943, pp. 795-866)

"Would That All Were Prophets! .. You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets, or witnesses for God. In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses" Awake!, June 8 1986, p. 9

Hmmm, Mr. flip? Meet Mr. flop.

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ALL LURKING ELDERS PLEASE... PLEASE... READ!!!!!! Make a difference!!

by Lady Liberty in

danny hazzard just posted this..please help!!

!silentlambs alert!

*a cry for help to all men of conscience in the organization of jehovahs witnessesthe recent court rulings in napa california have given authorities the right to access congregation judicial files that contain any information that provides evidence of the crime of child abuse.

robhic

All the above letter may achieve is the arrest of an Elder for resisting an officer in the course of his duties.

Would that count as a "trumpet blast?"

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JW can't be a cop but can be a wife-beater

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.telegram.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20061012/news/610120755/1008/news02.

oct 12, 2006. jury finds former officer guilty of assault.

by elaine thompson telegram & gazette staff.

robhic

“George is not a bad person. He just needs mental help,” she wrote in her statement to police.

No, George most certainly is a bad person and he is a dick, too.

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Can a sheep put on a suit and rise up and lead other sheep effectivily?

by DavidChristopher in

can a sheep decide it is ready to put on a suit and tie...and step up authorized to lead the other sheep in the flock?

how is that going to turn out in the long term?.

when the shepherd returns...will he then follow the opinions and rules of the sheep in the suit and tie?.

robhic

Can a sheep decide it is ready to put on a suit and tie...and step up authorized to lead the other sheep in the flock? How is that going to turn out in the long term?

From my experience, it is almost impossible to find anything dressy enough for sheep. Their sizes are confusing, also. A suit should "drape" nicely and the four feet of your typical sheep don't lend themselves to the cut of your regular business suit. So, my answer, to the first part of your question, is "no." You have the question of a fashionable tie to go with it also and they tend to drag the ground as the sheep run.

As far as stepping up to do any type of leading, I'd conjecture that, too, would be impossible because sheep tend to be extraordinarily stupid and would have trouble formulating a cogent thought as to the leadership role. Uncertainty and dischord would follow and chaos would surely ensue.

When the Shepherd returns...will he then follow the opinions and rules of the sheep in the suit and tie?

Again, from my experiences in the sheep haberdashery arena, I'd say that even if you find the appropriate suit and tie, the sheep would still be dumb as shit and so the shepherd (unless this person is a functional idiot) will laugh at the sight of sheep dressed like Wall St. bankers and probably hurt himself. He will also wonder just who was able to find the fashionable attire for the sheep and/or who was stupid enough to dress the damn things up like something from Orwell's 1984. He won't follow anything the sheep may say.

I hope this answered your sheep - fashion - leadership queries.

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Revelation book revisions in Sept KM

by becca1 in

the insert in this months km is 4 pages of revisions for the rev.

book i am going over them one by one.

most seem pretty insignificant, updated figures and such.

robhic

Since Bible prophesies are often completly understood after thay are fulfilled or in the course of fulflillment
Well then what the hell good are they??? What's the point of receiving a warning only AFTER the the dangerous event happens?
You cop a bullet in the back, and then 10 minutes later the Watchman calls out "Watch out! that guy has a gun!"..
Bit late to warn me, asshole!
Get a life, WT writers!! Your religion is totally and utterly useless crap!
Pope

Absolutely and completely spot on! Like a boomerang that doesn't come back is merely a stick, a prophesy that isn't understood is merely a statement or a comment.

This is pretty lame.

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Impending Divorce

by love2Bworldly in

will someone please tell me things will get better for me.

i know i'm going to end up filing for a divorce in the near future, and i've already moved out.

but i feel terribly guilty, as i was not really in love when i married my spouse 3 years ago--and he is ending up to be such a mess for me financially and emotionally.

robhic

I had really hoped that things would work out and I'm disappointed that my husband is not working toward making any changes--although he has promised over and over again that things will get better.

If you are anything like I was, this may help you in an odd sort of way.

The fact that you are trying to be nice and stay friendly while he seems to not want to make changes may eventually make you mad as hell with him. If you get mad (like I eventually did) then it will make the situation a bit easier to take.

When the other person won't put forth the effort that you do and the fact that it seems his financial problems are a component here will have an effect, in my opinion. You try while he doesn't and will probably still have money issues that you may get some blame for for not helping out (again...) with. It will make you a little more comfortable being divorced.

My last visit at the marriage counselor was very nothing, as most of the visits were. I was trying, my wife wasn't and it was making me angry. This last visit I just had had enough, told her and the counselor to go 'F' themselves and walked out, never to see either again.

It will take time. As others have said maybe a long time, maybe not. You may be surprised when you wake up one morning and realize that something has changed and things are better!

Again, good luck to you and I wish I could say or do something to "fix" it for you but my magic wand is broken right now.

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Impending Divorce

by love2Bworldly in

will someone please tell me things will get better for me.

i know i'm going to end up filing for a divorce in the near future, and i've already moved out.

but i feel terribly guilty, as i was not really in love when i married my spouse 3 years ago--and he is ending up to be such a mess for me financially and emotionally.

robhic

All I can really offer you is cliche. My wife split unexpectedly on me during a very troubling time with my 15 yo daughter. (To make that make more sense, this was my 2nd marriage. First wife and mother of my daughter had died a few years earlier.) It wasn't her biological daughter although they got along well.

I was devastated by the impending separation (and ultimately divorce) and the timing didn't help one bit! I pursued her (wife) thru marriage counseling, etc. for 7 months but her mind was made up. It wasn't for religious reasons because neither of us was JW (or really anything).

I missed her terribly and I basically put my life on hold for a while. I concentrated on work and my daughter and slowly, the pain diminished.

So therein lies the cliche: It will get better. I know that does nothing to make your situation any less painful and real but it will get better. If you can just spend some time feeling like shit and sorry for yourself and then concentrate on other things you will slowly improve.

Call on friends for support and company if and when you feel like it. Let them help you with things both mentally and physicaly should you need it. Allow yourself "alone time" when needed and just wait.

Not a lot of help but I wish you all the best and I promise that no matter how bleak it looks now, it will get better. Good luck to you.

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If people should thank Him for the good why not blame Him for the bad

by loosie in

ok the thread on thanking jehovah for keepping a purse safe while left in a shopping cart, got me to thinking.. if we are suppossed to thank god for the good things in life, why is it wrong to blame him for the bad things?.

now i am not saying i blame god for anything.

so please don't comment on this thread saying i am bad person for asking this question, because i don't buy that.. i am just asking why does he only get the praise and none of the blame?.

robhic

Ok the thread on thanking Jehovah for keepping a purse safe while left in a shopping cart, got me to thinking.
If we are suppossed to thank God for the good things in life, why is it wrong to blame him for the bad things?

This exact thought always crosses my mind especially when inconsequential things are attributed to any "higher power."

Like an athlete that looks or points skyward after scoring a goal of some kind. If the opposing team scores, they do the exact same thing!!! Does the almighty have a favorite team? Obviously not because both sides give him credit. It's just so stupid and petty.

And, like you state, he gets credit for finding a purse. Does an entity entrusted to watch the entirety of mankind (all the billions and billions of people) take timeout from his duties to watch over people in peril to help some dumbass find something? And, again as you state, what's the deal if you don't find your property?

Seems like his time would either be better spent helping folks in a life-or-death predicament or some subtle reminder to the dumbass to not lose their stuff in the first place. It all just makes me ill...

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Watchtower creates opposition to itself as no other?

by JH in

with all the religions out there, are the jw's the ones that are hated more by their former members than any other religion?.

i don't know of any other religion, whose former members oppose the religion as much, and have forums about it..

robhic

It seems like the sects that have the most burdensome rules and requirements put on their members would be the ones that are more distasteful, in inverse proportion, to members, past and current.

Like catholics. Miss church service and it's supposedly bad and sinful (yeah right...) but they don't talk about you and no priests show up to question you. They might check on you to see if you needed something or were all right, but not to badger you or spy. I don't know of any instances where someone was bounced out from being "allowed" to be a catholic for most any reason, save for some real doozies resulting in ex-communication.

I'd suppose most all other religions were this way to a greater or lesser degree. If the burden is light, who'd be really pissed at the religion except on really substantial grounds? When you are used and worked to exhaustion you'd have more and greater reason to be put out and angry at the culprit.

Just my opinion.

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Needed.

by dfrizzy in

i was raised a witness, and was one for 18 years of my life.

now at 21 i'm very much out of it (the organization that is).

i still have a few friends that are in the organization.

robhic

'The Bible Unearthed." It is written by some Jewish archeologists and scholars. Nothing JW but it will give you some distinctly different perceptions on the actual bible itself.