Posts by Descender

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Appealing the decision to disfellowship..

by sandy in

has anyone here ever appealed their disfellowshipping?

how did it work out?.

also, has anyone ever contested the appeal committee's decision to uphold the disfellowshipping?

Descender

I've been through two appeals myself on the receiving end, stupid I know. The first time I used the reasoning that I was repentant and the first commitee hadn't seen it, and I actually was repentant the first time. I told on myself, broke down and cried and apologized for my actions and it was all heartfelt. They disfellowshipped me and during the appeals commitee I was scoffed at and called names and told I was a prostitute against Jehovah. At the time I was almost engaged to a good witness girl and wanted a clean slate and had actually felt bad for the fornication that I'd commited 8 months earlier. After I was disfellowshipped, my girlfriend got instantly married to the first ministerial servant she could find. I was 20 years old when that happened and up until about a year ago, I don't ever remember feeling any worse about myself than the first disfellowshipping.

I can thank the elders in those first two comitees for starting me down the road that would lead me out of the organization. I got reinstated in six months and found that my girlfriend had married some other guy and then I decided to say screw it. I'd been a good boy for those six months, studying all my lessons and reading the bible for an hour each night with hopes of being a pioneer and an elder one day, blech. I started sleeping with a witness girl within a few months after I was reinstated. I was way to cocky and open with it and didn't hide it very well and basically got caught with her in my bed by my witness mom, who in turn told the elders.

I denied everything because I knew that there weren't two witnesses. And although they had only one witness and niether her nor I would give up any info about our relationship, the elders DF'd me anyways. I appealed it on the basis of no proof, so it didn't happen. The appeals commitee basically told me I was evil and said if someday I came back, maybe they could forgive me, but didn't know if Jehovah, the god of love, would ever be able to forgive me. The girl that I'd gotten DF'd for being with wasn't even given any reproof and we had the same story. As far as I can tell, unless you have high up connections that can help you out, then there is no need to go through an appeal unless you enjoy torture.

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Do We Live in the Past to Try and Control the Future?

by frankiespeakin in

from what we know about time i think i can say: the exact instance of present before it becomes past must be very small perhaps 10 to the negative 34 i think there is some formula they use and call it "plank time" something or other.. .

so then if it takes our mind say takes 1/50th of a second to relay what it is percieving then when we get these images and impressions of these things that have already become the past,, do you see what i mean?

also all memory is of the past,,the mind stores memory to help it guide the body in what to do to make it comfortable,,and safe in the future but never really for the present.

Descender

Well, being the fact that our thought process does not move at the speed of light, then all of our thoughts are in the past, so to speak. We can all think and plan for the future, but nothing is definite except for the past, so literally our past, present, and future thoughts are all past thoughts, even if they are a fraction of a second old. So I guess telling someone to stop living in the past would be an impossibility to accomplish.

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You can't describe real LOVE you can only decribe what it isn't.

by frankiespeakin in

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friends

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is that true?

Descender

In your opinion, Frankie, considering human nature has anyone ever achieved this real love that you speak of? Have you? If not, how do you know that your idea of real love actually exists?

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As a JW did you "take a turkey" or accept the Xmas Bonus?

by confusedjw in

i felt it hypocritical to take a turkey abviously meant for thanksgiving.

i didn't like buying the easter candy after easter either as it was "food sacrificed to idols".. years ago at a place i worked they gave out a xmas bonus which i returned.

( a few hundred dollars which we sure could have used) they assured me that it was an "end of the year" bonus.

Descender

I always thought that the Witness view of the holidays was a bit skewed. As a witness, my mom might fix a nice dinner on Thanksgiving, but we couldn't have a turkey, although a few days later on Saturday my mom would invite all my unbelieving relatives over and fix a turkey, mashed potatoes, pumpkin pie, the works. Birthdays wouldn't really be acknowledged, but a few days later I might get a few gifts, just not birthday presents, mind you (wink wink). Nothing special on Christmas day, but a few days later we'd have a big dinner and maybe a few presents, without the label of christmas. We couldn't shoot fireworks off on July 4th, but every other day around July 4th was perfectly fine.

Since I'm faded now, it's rediculous when I see it happening, my mom actually invited me over for chicken this Thursday, but I'm also invited over on Saturday as well for a big turkey with all my relatives. It's stupid to think that god would pay any mind or care at all that you eat turkey or shoot fireworks off on a certain day and not another.

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I want one of these !!!!!!

by xenawarrior in

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the 2005 mustang:.

sooo cool !!.

Descender

This is the Ford that I want. 0-60 in 3.4 seconds and a top speed of 200mph, which would come in handy driving to work. Ok, it probably wouldn't ever come in handy.

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Another Stoopid JW Forwarded Mail...

by Gozz in

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friends

does jehovah know what is going on, and does he step when he needs to?

1. the bomb planted in the kingdom hall in australia,

" so he had escorted the brother right through with his literature, (told by bro.

Descender

6. In , where the work is done underground, 3 elders were working on a country road. The sky was cloudy. Suddenly a bolt of lightning killed the middle brother. The other 2 hurriedly hid his body in the bushes, to go and remove literature, etc. from his home before the officials came. They take over any possessions they find and give them to whomever they feel can use them. Among his possessions were found a complete list of all the Witnesses from miles around. He was not a brother, but an imposter, planning to turn this list over to the police. As Bro. Lauriz says, if these hadn't come from , we'd never believe them.

I remember being told this one and actually believing it and telling it to other people trying to convince them this had to be the truth. This one has to be the most outlandish BS story out of them all. Man I was gullible.

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Do you like to get drunk???

by Confucious in

jw
friends

been going through a lot lately.

feeling the depression creeping in every once in awhile.

who here likes to pound back a few beers???

Descender

I was getting drunk on a pretty regular basis this year, more frequently than ever before. A few weeks in the summer, I would get drunk every single night of the week from Monday through Sunday. But it was getting me nowhere and I was spending way too much money only to wake up with a pounding headache every morning. So about a month ago I decided to really cut back on the alcohol consumption. I've only drank alcohol one night out of the last three weeks which has really made me feel better and I've been able to spend my alcohol money on better things such as the new GTA game .

But something that I found out just recently and succesfully tried was a liquid vitamin B complex with a high amount of B12 taken directly after you drink a lot will aleviate a lot of the after-effects of a hang-over. The last time I drank heavily and took the B complex I woke up feeling like I hadn't drank any alcohol at all.

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You mean Britain has increasing violent crime? I'm Shocked, Shocked!!

by CaptainSchmideo in

[ previous week | recent columns index | following week ]have great britain's restrictive gun laws contributed to the rise in violent crime?.

dear cecil:.

Descender

So if I lived in England and I were to break into a house with only the intent to steal some items and I made sure to tell the house owner that I was there to rob them and would not harm them, then the only action the owner could take would be to call the police and watch me steal his stuff, hoping that the police showed up in time to apprehend me? Otherwise the owner would be arrested if he tried to stop me? Strange.

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Boyfriend gone to GTA :(

by Nancy Drake in

jw
friends

what is with you boys and your video games?

my boyfriend was first in line last night to get his grand theft auto-san andreas that he prepayed for in may and has been talking about for months.. i won't talk to him for like a month.. anyone know the average age when guys are supposed to grow out of this?.

stupid boys.

Descender

Hmmm, if you want to find the rare guy that doesn't like video games you might need to look for the older crowd that never got hooked on video games when they were younger. Not that old, probably 40+ though. As far as the 20's to early 30 year olds, those guys are going to be playing video games for the rest of their lives. The video game industry got a lot of us hooked at an early age with Atari and Nintendo games and things progressed from there. New and improved video games with better graphics, new features, more realistic settings, and hours of play time are always coming out and it's not going to stop, so go for older guys. Or.....

If you're willing to be with a guy that enjoys playing video games or has other hobbies that take up his time (that might seem useless) but has priorities and won't let his playtime get out of hand, there are plenty of us out there. But for all the guys that play too many video games, there are equal amounts of guys that watch too much sports, gamble, go out with their friends too much, spend too much time at work, or anything else that's easy to do too much of.

You could always compromise and become interested in his video games and play some of them with him as long as he's willing to compromise and do things that interest you. You might find out video games are kind of fun. And he might find out it's fun to do things that you like as well. His friends will think you're the coolest girlfriend ever if you're interested in video games, and your girlfriends will be wondering where they can find a guy like you have that's willing to do fun things that they enjoy.

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Are JWs seeing signs of the end now?

by jws in

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i was talking with my dad last night and during our call, he started talking about all the storms to hit florida, the earthquake in california (that didn't damage anything), and mt.

saint helens on the verge of erupting.. he didn't come right out and say it, but i got the feeling he was trying to slip in some kind of warning.

the old 'sign of the end' type of stuff.

Descender

Lets see, for witnesses (at least American Witnesses) there have been plenty of signs of the end all throughout the history of the religion. The end was supposed to come in 1914, 1925, 1975, and various other dates. The signs that the end was going to come tomorow have included WW1, WW2, the Korean War, the Cuban Missile crisis, the cold war with the USSR, Vietnam, the first gulf war, and the current war in Iraq. It has also included every single earthquake, hurricane, tornado, and volcanic eruption in the past 120 years. Oh, also disasters like the fall of the stock market, polution, plane crashes, space shuttle explosions, school shootings, AIDS, starving children in third world countries, and terrorist attacks around the world.

Witnesses have always been saying things like, "this world just won't last another 5 or 10 years in this current state without Jehober stepping in to take care of things." Just wait another 5 years, it's soooo close. Five years comes and things are pretty much the same, repeat the process, "ohhh, this world just can't last another 5 years," just wait, and wait, and wait, and listen to the same mindless drivle coming from the crotchety old men in Brooklyn.

My mom tells me all the time that the end is right around the corner, always a new earthquake, or hurricane, or a new outbreak of disease, another war, immorality, murder, whatever. Hell, maybe Armegedon already happened and we just didn't notice and now we're all living in Paradise.