...whoops misogynist..thank you webster..
Huxley
i ask this question because we often hear about jw men (bros., elders, servants, co's etc.
) treating sisters as lower and weaker beings than themselves.. but i wonder if it's not just a male-dominant world problem.
i didn't grow up as a jw so every male i met for 30 years was not a jw.
...whoops misogynist..thank you webster..
Huxley
i ask this question because we often hear about jw men (bros., elders, servants, co's etc.
) treating sisters as lower and weaker beings than themselves.. but i wonder if it's not just a male-dominant world problem.
i didn't grow up as a jw so every male i met for 30 years was not a jw.
I'm surprised that sisters in the hall are allowed to comment at the WT and bookstudy, when Paul (The wacky mysogynist bachelor) said that women are to be fully submissive in the congregation. I suppose the sisters could end each comment by looking doe-eyed at their husbands and saying "Was that okay honey?" just to be sure they weren't violating the law of submission.
For a single guy Paul sure had a lot of advice for and about women.
Huxley
some youngsters (i always hated that word...) in our congregation went to a rock concert.
two out of ten of these kids decided to join in the "mosh pit", and try their hand at "crowd surfing", just like on mtv.
well the other eight kids decided to rat them out to the elders for behaving in a worldly manner.. the local needs talk the following week discussed the danger of music in the life of a young christian.
Some youngsters (I always hated that word...) in our congregation went to a rock concert. Two out of ten of these kids decided to join in the "mosh pit", and try their hand at "crowd surfing", just like on MTV. Well the other eight kids decided to rat them out to the elders for behaving in a worldly manner.
The local needs talk the following week discussed the danger of music in the life of a young Christian. The elder pointed out how music could be upbuilding like when we sing at the Kingdom Hall, but also potentially dangerous. He went on to elaborate how Satan had used music to draw people away from true worship for years. I think he mentioned the Moabites or maybe it was the Midianites, anyhow, some ancient people who knew how to kick out the jams and invited the Israelites to party.
Then he got to the really funny stuff. He talked about how "The Twist" was a dance craze that lead many from our ranks. He mentioned how Beatles music was banned at Bethel. (A total falsehood but still funny.) And the cherry on the pie....He talked about how breakdancing was leading many youth out into the world, and causing not just spiritual damage, but physical problems as well. With moves such as the "headspin" and the "worm" sending many fine Witness youths into the emergency room.
Keep in mind this talk was given around 1997, so he was about 12 years behind with the breakdancing advice. I was still totally active when I heard this talk, but I still thought it was funny as hell.
Huxley
did any of you hear any of the urban legends that jw's used to scare people into being deathly afraid of demons?
for example i remeber hearing that a child brough a smurf doll to a meeting and upon hearing the name jehovah uttered it got up and walked out.
got any j-dub urban legends?
My parents threw away my smurf figurines after hearing some hokum about them being demonic. But then my mom didn't let me watch He-Man and the Masters of the Universe because she thought they must be Nephalim. (Super powers I guess..)
i've been lurking around this site for a while, and i must say that it has been an enormous emotional aid.
i have been inactive for about 8 months now, and recently turned in a letter of disassociation.
my wife (thankfully) has been inactive for about 3 months or more.
Thank you all for the really kind replies!
It really helped me put things in perspective. It's amazing when you talk to someone with no background in "the truth", they can't believe that parents would be so emotionally hostile because of religious differences. I know it's a common experience with the df'd and da'd, but it still amazes me!
Huxley
i've been lurking around this site for a while, and i must say that it has been an enormous emotional aid.
i have been inactive for about 8 months now, and recently turned in a letter of disassociation.
my wife (thankfully) has been inactive for about 3 months or more.
I've been lurking around this site for a while, and I must say that it has been an enormous emotional aid. I have been inactive for about 8 months now, and recently turned in a letter of disassociation. My wife (thankfully) has been inactive for about 3 months or more. We were both raised in "the truth". Her parents have been inactive for a while now. (Thankfully.) My parents are a different story. My mom has been a pioneer for 17+ years, and my Dad has been an elder since I was little.
About a year ago, or so I started letting myself question why Jehovah allowed such horrible things to occur on earth. 9-11 was fresh in my mind, but the book that really got me was called, "The Rape of Nan King." It's a book about the treatment of a Chinese town during WWII by the Japanese. I started asking myself a lot of questions, and felt disenchanted with the standard replies. I imagined someone asking me these same questions at the door, and I would have no answer! Waiting for a New System to miraculously smooth over every injustice since Man's beginning just doesn't do it for me anymore.
Then I started questioning policies I always thought were ridiculous. Things like beards being socially inacceptable etc. Well I guess the fact that I was having all these doubts upset my Mom so much that she couldn't come visit my wife and I , and my Dad came to visit by himself. (THey live several hours away.) I was able to talk with him about this stuff that bothered me about the religion, after the standard answers that I've heard since I was 3, He ended the visit by saying he loved me, but I had to realize he needed to "protect his family". He told me they were servants of Jehovah and they would only associate freely with fellow worshipers of Jehovah. So that excluded the normal relationship we had before. I was amazed at how quick he was to sell me out for the religion. It hurt like hell.
I haven't seen them since. Recently I planned a visit alone but it was cancelled by my Dad at the last minute. "Sorry son, this is just too difficult for us right now." At that point I chewed him out. Bad. I had never talked to my father like this before. I feel bad about that conversation still.
Getting to the point, I mailed in my letter of disassociation this week and it feels wild. I feel really good about being so free, but a the same time horribly pained by the rejection by my folks. I am going to mail them a letter tonight telling them I am now Da'd. It feels like I'm writing them a suicide note. ugh..
Thanks for reading and all of your kinds responses to others..it has been very uplifting in this difficult time.
Huxley
isn't it great to wake up on sunday morning and not go to the meeting!
i love it.
no hurried underlining of the wt study so it looks like i studied, no stifling ties and lame-ass suits.
Isn't it great to wake up on Sunday morning and not go to the meeting! I LOVE it. No hurried underlining of the WT study so it looks like I studied, no stifling ties and lame-ass suits.
My new Sunday morning ritual involves getting a nice cup of coffee, sitting comfortably on the floor and listening to John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" on the Hi-fi uninterupted. It's relaxing and refreshes me for the week ahead.
I am curious if anyone else has begun a new ritual or personalized "meeting" of their own...
Huxley
i was baptised at a local circuit assembly.
it didn't seem a big deal at the time, as i'd grown up as a jw, and getting baptised was just a rite of passage for jw youths.
fortunately my parents had the attitude that you don't need to get baptised until you're an adult, so as a teenager i didn't have the pressure to get baptised, although i was expected to once i reached my adult years.. the year before my baptism was rather traumatic.
I was dunked in 1991 at age 17. This was during Gulf War I, and I remember my dad telling me how I need to make a stand now that I was nearing draft-age. Amazing to think that I couldn't even legally purchase a beer, but I could dedicate myself to a goofy religion at that age. I wonder if any other kids are being encouraged to "take a stand" now that Gulf War II is gearing up.
well, it's been a good ten months since i walked away from the jws and it's been quite a journey.
i notice that the initial fears, self-doubt and rage are no longer with me.
when i first left i could hardly look at a wt or awake magazine without getting wave after wave of anxiety and frustration.
I've been out for 8 months now, and for the first couple of months, I kept having a recurring nightmare....
I would dream I was at an Special Assembly Day with my newly grown beard and all were aghast!
No more nightmares now, just pleasant dreams!
Huxley
this is a customer review from amazon.com for the famous book mankinds' search for meaning by victor frankl.
what do you think of his comments?
do you agree or disagree, and why?
I agree with Dantheman about songs bringing you joy. (Especially in difficult times!)
My current fave is an album called, "At Dawn" by the band, My Morning Jacket...
good stuff!