ah........christianity at it's best!.
http://www.witnessinc.com.. if you go to this site above......you will see this is a site maintained by former jw duane magnani.. on his page of what the "true gospel" is.......and what a"true christian" is.......he plainly states that if you do not believe jesus is god himself.........you have nothing.
he even proves all his points by cherry picking known modern scholars who will back him up!
I do not think one should believe in trinity or think that Jesus is God to be saved. On reasoning with the bible, it does teach that Jesus is God, mainly because of what other people perceived of Jesus, on the other hand, the bible say clearly that Jesus is the son of God.
I do not think it matters much other wise the bible would clearly state it without reading between the lines.
Amen
it is kind of a strange feeling.
not, that i would miss the meetings, but somehow i feel, that brothers and sisters will ask for explanations why i didn t come, and for me i have to honestly point out, that i wouldn t feel my beliefs being strengthens.
the fear to loose all friends and so on.
I have not been to a meeting in my area for over 6 months. I had my card tranfer to a new congregation and the new congregation had not bother to contact me either. There are times i had met brother on the street the they would wave their hands at me, some i just cut short the conversation to a minimum and leave before they get into details.
However, some tried to avoid me at first by not looking and i made sure that they see me by calling their name but i could see that they do not want to see me they tried to shun me. Well it tells me that the elders did talk about me, they would say hello to me only because they remember i have done a lot for them that is the only gratitude they have for me.
I can not escape them everyday i meet at least one of them on the street. It is just a matter of times i can no longer hide my fading.
However, i have other friends in this world. Hey we had a good time. I have been invited to lots of dinner party so that i do not miss any party by the witnesses. I feel sad for those whom i appreciated in the organization but when you meet a witness the usually ask what congregation am I and it is tricky to answer them. If i tell them the congregation they would ask about a person of that congregation and i would have no clue about the person.
Amen
in short......i am surprised of the organisations involvement with the u.n......had the damaging effect to the degree that it did......upon those who learned of it.. when the 'generation change' occured in 94', i thought there would be a bigger fallout.
when the voting issue happened, i thought it would cause quite a stir.
with "dateline" and "fifth estate" uncovering child molestation issue among jehovah's witnesses....i thought many would fall out.. what gets me is the amount , that were effected by the u.n. scandle.
Gumby,
From the beginnig I had doubt about 2 classes of Cristians, however i did go along with the witnesses because they seem to be right on many things that I thought were OK, for example, living in the end time. They were logic but of course i did not have anything to compare when i studied with them.
Over time, i saw some of the teaching were not matching God words, They took a lot verses out of context to match their doctrines. In 2001 we had the one day school for the Ministerial Servant and i was disgust of how the use some text from the bible to give themself more authorities over the brother and sisters I had the crisp over what the speaker said. This guy was from the bethel. I knew this guy because on many ocasion after asemblys we had gone to restaurants.
This was the bell ringing to tell me that i have seen no reconciliation with the kind of love Christ had for his follower.
After that I would see during asemblies how a speaker coming from bethel N.Y. would talk about apostats and use a verse from the book of Proverb to show not to associate with apostats, well i took note of that text, when i got home i when to a diferent translation to examine that text because i felt it fit too well for themself. Yes the word apostat was not from other bible translation.
I was asking myself why the talk so much about apostats, because as a witness i have never seen any activities of apostat except when i went to an asembly in Toronto in 93 at the skydome where they were outside protesting.
I could go on for ever also they are control freaks, eventhough i had no problems following the JW life but i know they don't give you space to breath, the bible is right, Jeremy 10:23 and the Organization failed to honour God.
Today i feel sometimes ashame that i had been mislead by the witnesses.
Amen
in short......i am surprised of the organisations involvement with the u.n......had the damaging effect to the degree that it did......upon those who learned of it.. when the 'generation change' occured in 94', i thought there would be a bigger fallout.
when the voting issue happened, i thought it would cause quite a stir.
with "dateline" and "fifth estate" uncovering child molestation issue among jehovah's witnesses....i thought many would fall out.. what gets me is the amount , that were effected by the u.n. scandle.
When i first read about the society involvement with the UN, my first reation was that they don't have faith in their own prophecies. But for me, the doctrine that will have blown me away to leave the organization is when i found out about the truth about the 2 classes of christians.
Had i read my bible more carefully and have more confident in reading it I would have been out a long time a go.
Amen
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i used to dread the prospect of having an evening meeting to to go hanging over my head all day long on a major holiday, almost as much as being compelled to ``go out in service.".
how about you?
I remember in my hall for january first the elders schedulded me to take the group at night. For all my times as a witness i never went out on services during christmas holidays. I always think that it was a showdown by the witnesses to show they are holier than the rest of christianity, there actions are proof of that by preaching on those particular days.
Only one show up i was a little sad when the sister show up. I wanted to go home so I decided to do one hour and stop after that. I could not stop thinking while i am braving the cold with the sister all the other elders are home with their famillies in the warmth.
How free i am now? This will not repeat again.
Amen
seems its been awhile since we had one of these questions go round so i figured with all the newbies lately we shuld get a new one going.
i get to do it cause well umm errr..... i've been here for over a year (and yes noone noticed *sniff* *sniff* but thats ok).
soooo without further ado on to the question at hand..... why do you post here?.
It is fun to know what others think.
amen
i thought it would be interesting to raise a question that was brought up by mike purbrick (anybody know him) at the mts (england, 1992).
the question relates to whether a resurrected peson is really the same person if they are only genetically identical and somehow impregnated with the memories of the deceased.
in short, if my spirit is not personal to me, and no part of me survives to the resurrected being then can it really be me, or is it just a copy?
city fan,
I agree with your statement.
To live forever would require a spirit separate from the body.
That was my missing link. The JW doctrine always scare me, you are sleeping until the resurection.
The only problem how can we know for sure we have a spirit beside the bible tells us so?
amen
please list different ways the organization attempts to control their flock.
well the organization is saying to all JW's, let us think for you all we asking you is go out on service moron.
amen
Weird as it goes in some congregations. I was in one congregation do everything what they call spiritual, almost every male in this congregation became a MS even new ones that were recently baptised because they were pioneering.
I move to another cong. i have not change or do more or less in that new cong. withing six month i became a MS.
Very strange, i accepted the position because i felt bad to say no.
amen
since i seem to have offended some with my comments (moi?!.
why do so many christians, become christian again, and call themselves born again?
why not just say you decided to change directions and open your mind to a new idea?
There are all kinds of people who claim to be christians are they really christians.
There are all kinds of muslans, budhists etc..
It is just a name, in the end only the creator know who belongs to him.
A lot of pretenders in this world. That's why i think the Jw's are so concerned about Jw pretenders they ax them pretty quick, the elders want to know where one stand, are you in or not.
amen
