"the U.N." - it's effects on the witnesses

by gumby 40 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  gumby

  In short......I am surprised of the Organisations involvement with the U.N......had the damaging effect to the degree that it did......upon those who learned of it.

  When the 'generation change' occured in 94', I thought there would be a bigger fallout. When the voting issue happened, I thought it would cause quite a stir. With "Dateline" and "Fifth Estate" uncovering Child Molestation issue among Jehovah's Witnesses....I thought many would fall out.

  What gets me is the amount , that were effected by the U.N. scandle. If I were a dub still......how would I have been affected? I would see they used theocratic tactic and "Milked" the U.N. for it's resources as the bible said Gods people would do.....(as explained by the dubs) I would not see this issue as a challenge to dub convictions.

  How would you have responded to this had you still been 'in', when you heard of it?(this obviously doesn't apply to those who exited as a direct result of this)

  Gumby
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  Nosferatu

  I basically left for reasons other than what you listed. If I had found out about the UN thing, It would have just been another issue added to the pile. If I would've found out about the 1914 generation change, I would've been extremely mad, just like when I DID find out about it. It was a lie my entire life. With the Fifth Estate, I would've been disgusted enough to never go to another meeting no matter how much my parents forced me.
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  acsot

  I heard about the U.N. thing from a "friend", a very zealous elder's wife who of course justified the whole thing (in her mind). I already had many doubts but that really got me seeing how hypocritical the WTS is. But it was Dateline that got me out. I'm not a victim of molestation but I had no difficulty in believing what happened to the victims at the hands of the Gestapo elders. I didn't want to be around people like that even if their screwy Bible interpretations were correct and I'd end up as bird feed at Armageddon.
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  amen

  When i first read about the society involvement with the UN, my first reation was that they don't have faith in their own prophecies. But for me, the doctrine that will have blown me away to leave the organization is when i found out about the truth about the 2 classes of christians.

  Had i read my bible more carefully and have more confident in reading it I would have been out a long time a go.

  Amen
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  gumby

  But for me, the doctrine that will have blown me away to leave the organization is when i found out about the truth about the 2 classes of christians.

  Amen....they have taught this since 1935. How did you get baptised without knowing this?

  Gumby
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  RunningMan

  When the voting issue happened,

  Nothing has happened to the voting issue.

  As for the UN issue, if I were still a dub, I probably would have just shrugged it off. I mean, over the years I shrugged off the fossil record, radio carbon dating, the entire fields of geology and biology, prophetic failures, and on and on. What's one little political issue more?

  Perhaps it may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. Perhaps not.
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  gumby

  Nothing has happened to the voting issue.

  If you mean......it didn't seem to effect the witnesses....that's true. As far as their doctrine towards it.....it changed!

  You made a good point about shrugging things off. I think many of us shrugged things off and this is what baffles me as far as the UN thing goes. People didn't seem to shrug it off.

  I'm off to work and will chat later if this is still going.

  Gumby
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  RunningMan

  The doctrine regarding voting did not change, only the presentation. Go back and read the article very carefully. Here is what it said:

  Old policy: Voting is wrong. If you do it, God will kill you.

  New policy: Voting is up to your concience. Your concience bloody well better tell you it is wrong. If you do it, God will kill you.

  The policy itself has not changed. JWs do not vote. If they do, it is automatically assumed that they no longer want to be a JW, and are considered DA'd. It is presented this way simply to deflect attention from governments that may not take kindly to anyone trying to interfere with citizen's right to vote.

  I had this explained to me by an elder. Although he couched the explanation a little more carefully.
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  lisaBObeesa

  I was out when the UN issue hit, but it outraged me just the same. It really, really outraged me. Those HYPOCITES and LIARS! I showed the info to my at-the-time-active brother and he was shaken to the core.

  However, the information was so unthinkable and shocking that most JWs refused to even look at it or consider it.

  As for the generation thing?

  I had left the JWs with the idea that when the ?generation of 1914 passed away? and the end didn?t come, my family would see it was all just a sham and they would leave the JWs and everything would be ok. Boy was I upset a few years latter when I found THAT teaching had been dropped and my family had not even blinked!

  -LisaBObeesa
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  happy man

  In Sweden nobody no anything about this, not even CO, what I undrerstand. I now one man as called the headqurter and ask, number two men ther say he now nothing and it must belies, but when he ask number one man he say, yes we was, but we are no more.