Posts by truthseeker

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Genesis account shaken!

by exWTslave in

people who believe that every verse of the bible is inspired are in for a shock.

according to genesis account, god created heavens and the earthin a one-time act.

but an experiment conducted at the south pole, two weeks back, has caught ripples in the oldest light in the universe.

truthseeker

Leave Snowbird alone, she's not shaken in her faith.

Personally, I believe the Genesis account is faulty but I believe it has a grain of truth in it.

I have considered other works and have come to the conclusion that "man", is older than the Biblical Adam and this poses all kinds of interesting scenarios and difficult questions.

I believe the scribes during the time of Babylonish captivity falsified the texts of the Old Testament and added to them, and these were later built on by the New Testament.

The real truth of the Bible may never be known.

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Is the Centenary Campaign in August 2014 really for the public?

by truthseeker in

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i was thinking about what i read in a recent kingdom ministry about the historical campaign the jws will engage in this august.. this is not really for the public.. it is to keep the jw's busy, not thinking about why 100 years has gone by with no end in sight, but to buoy up flagging enthusiasm.. they trying to make jws maintain a constant state of tension and expectation..

truthseeker

I was thinking about what I read in a recent Kingdom Ministry about the historical campaign the JWs will engage in this August.

This is not really for the public.

It is to keep the JW's busy, not thinking about why 100 years has gone by with no end in sight, but to buoy up flagging enthusiasm.

They trying to make JWs maintain a constant state of tension and expectation.

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Jesus was a False Prophet - But was he deluded or deceitful?

by cofty in

any objective reading of the gospels makes it plain that jesus believed his parousia would happen within the lifetime of his generation.. his followers believed in his imminent return until the day of their deaths.. his false prophecy damaged the lives of his disciples in a similar way to that done by the lies of modern cults like the watchtower.

peter and others walked out on their wives, children and businesses to follow him around palestine.

jesus taught them to put their families and other normal concerns in second place to their task of spreading his message - which turned out to be false.. the question is what he was up to?.

truthseeker

I don't believe Jesus was a false prophet but I cannot deny the verses. They are in black and white for all to see.

the problem is there is no obvious demarkation in the scriptures between the tribulation of 70 AD and the forthcoming tribulation of the future, assuming there is a secondary tribulation. The verses all flow in one narrative so it's hard to tell what Jesus was really thinking.

Two millenniums later and many of us our scratching our head wondering where is this promised second coming.

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

truthseeker

Juan,

Does your contact wonder where the future of the org lies? We are so passed the point of no return, that is when we thought all the Bible prophecies would have happened by now, that there seems to be nothing immediate on the horizon except change for the sake of change.

Reading his comments gives me the impression there is some malevolent intelligence at work here - they know the end is not coming and so they secretly sit behing closed doors and figure out what to tell the sheep next, but ultimately what is really going through their mind as they close Bethels, cut back on literature, remove the private book study arrangement, reduce convention days, eliminate District Overseers and yet build a huge compound in Walkill?

I feel there is some sort of "grand scheme" afoot - or am I mistaken. Is this reactionary change because the Society have cornered themselves with their own chronology?

Truthseeker

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

truthseeker

Met,

You've hit the nail on the head

"I see this info as mostly 'think tank' stuff as they try to adapt to an era of their own prophetic failure."

None of us ever expected to be on this side of the system of things in the year 2014. We expected to be in Paradise. Now that we're not, what happens now? What do we have to look forward to?

This "promised presence of his" is further away than ever.

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The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

by cofty in

researchers working with a telescope at the south pole beleive they have glimpsed light from the first "trillionth of a trillionth of a tillionth" of a second after the big bang.. a lot of work has still to be done to confirm the findings, but if it holds up it is one of the biggest discoveries ever.. _________________________________________.

...inflation came with a very specific prediction - that it would be associated with waves of gravitational energy, and that these ripples in the fabric of space would leave an indelible mark on the oldest light in the sky - the famous cosmic microwave background.. the bicep2 team says it has now identified that signal.

scientists call it b-mode polarisation.

truthseeker

What about physical space itself? I imagine "space" was always here, because "space" is nothing.

It was the energy that expanded rather than the emptyness called space, otherwise there would be a discernible "edge"

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Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?

by truthseeker in

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it took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.

there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.

all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..

truthseeker

Met,

I agree with you there, this fraud has gone on so long that the Society have backed themselves in a corner with their generation teaching - it's got more wackier as time goes by.

I feel there is a deep malaise in the organization. The GB cannot induce this "sense of urgency" much longer, people are getting tired.

We are years past all the major dates and October 2014 will soon come and go.

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Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

it took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.

there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.

all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..

truthseeker

Yes, there has been growth, but what kind of people are joining? What is their background?

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Detroit DC is NOT filling up? Please book a hotel room!! -letter

by ?me? in

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we have had a letter read the last 2 meetings to all congs attenidng the detroit dc's... seems people are not going, or not booking their hotels.

and the society is pissed!

they are imploring every one to not wait for a new list with new hotels, it is not happening.

truthseeker

What if you had reward points saved up and could get free nights at a hotel not on the list. Would this be looked down upon?

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Do you think not having the book study in private homes has had much effect?

by truthseeker in

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it's been a few years since the organization ended the book study arrangement in private homes.. gone was the last opportunity to have tea and biscuits and a natter with the friends afterwards.. do you think people regret losing the book study?

for some, it may have been the only time they were able to get some "associaton".

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truthseeker

You're probably right there.

I supposed I was thinking more of the older ones who don't get out much. For them, the book study was the only place to have some social life.