Posts by starScream

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The reason why I condemn the witnesses

by crinklestein in

i once engaged in a debate about why the catholic church was a totally corrupt organization and is bloodguilty for hundreds of years of murder and deciet and one half-assed "i'm sorry" is not going to make up for it.

not even a thousand sorries will make up for it.

after visiting here and seeing all the horrible experiences you all have had i now apply the debate to the witnesses as well.

starScream

Crinkelstein,

that is a Good point you raise about "the pharisees" being God's organization. The Catholic Church is guilty of exactly what you said about the pharisees making up a bunch of nonsense and completely losing the foundational purpose of the religion.

Xander made an Indictment :

*Dizzy* Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

on Bible Research & Study Articles : which, although is a false indictment of Christ (the beginning), all God fearing Christians (the "to") and Christ again (the end), it does demonstrate what happens when men assume authorities beyond what God has given them. Personally though I think you have made a similar error in condemning the witnesses (instead of the Watchtower) as Xander has made in his indictment of all Christians and Christ. I know it was not your intent but it could undermine your credibilty to any JW lurkers.

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What does the Bible say about Jesus Christ?

by UnDisfellowshipped in

who is jesus christ?

what does the bible say?

1: jesus christ is god almighty, the supreme being [omnipotent] (john 1:1-3; john 20:28-29; hebrews 1:6, 1:8, 1:10; psalm 45:6; psalm 102:25; titus 2:13; romans 9:5; colossians 2:9).

starScream

Don't forget that God alone created all things without any help (Isa 44:24).

Jehovah shares his glory with no one, (? verse) Jesus returns to the Father to the Glory he shared before coming to Earth (? again verse)

Jesus is the First and the Last (Rev 1:17). Jehovah is the First and the Last (Isa 44:6). The First and the Last is the Alpha and the Omega (Rev 22:12). The Alpha and the Omega is the Almighty (Rev 1:8).

Jesus Christ is coming (Heb 1:6). The Almighty is coming (Rev 1:7-8)

Jehovah alone is most high over the Earth (Psalm 83:18), Jesus has all the power in Heaven and Earth (Matt 28:18)

Jesus- "No one is good but one, and that one is God alone" (Mrk 10:18), Jesus- "I am the GOOD shepherd...My sheep know me and I know them" (John 10:14.....)

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

starScream

Right, if I see people suffering I want to step in and end it; to relieve them of it. Why, then, doesn't God stop all these cruel injustices now? If we are made in his image, He has the same sympathy as I - so why doesn't he step in?

We are already discussing this issue on this thread : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/47925/1.ashx

Resurection of "Can any believer answer this?"2

on beliefs doctrine and practices.

I have stated that complex chemical machines aka biological life is evidence God exists. You are submitting evidence that God does not exist. That does not address the evidence that I have submitted.

That's like someone saying,.... It is pretty clear that the Earth is the centre of the Universe with the sun rotating around it. Only has that been recently challenged."

I never said that was a reasonable argument. It was simply a rebuttle to this arguement:

Just as Bush is president of the USA it would be that clear for all of the world.

I put that right before what I said. End of discussion on that topic. Neither point is ervidence nor are they the topic. Now if you can prove how life did get here, which is the issue then I am waiting.

To me it's far more realistic to assume the slow growth in complexity of life, backed up as it is by the evidence, and to allow that life arose from non-living matter,

"to allow that life rose from non-living matter". This is EXACTLY what I have challenged. Finally someone has even recognized the issue. Evolution of EXISTING life is not the issue nor is it evidence. The issue is non-living matter. The issue is not god being good or evil. The issue is not monkeys into man. The issue is non-living matter turning into living matter without God or someone else doing it.

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

starScream

To the one that demands proof that God exists...

I submitted: complex chemical machines, aka biological life, a creation.

Just as Bush is president of the USA it would be that clear for all of the world.

It is pretty clear that God created the life on earth. Only has that been recently challenged.

Please don't give me some massive response, just give a counterpoint if you wish.

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Is Satan the good guy?

by blackout in

if i were to believe in the bible (which i am starting to totally disbelieve), i like the idea that satan was actually on mans side, and when you look at what he told eve he was actually telling the truth, it was god who lied.

this used to cross my mind as a witness but i would very swiftly dismiss it as demons affecting my thinking.

didn't he say we could rule ourselves if given a fair chance?

starScream

Abaddon:

Starscream, please go away you are hijacking my topic. I have posted a message on the other topic so you dont need to post on this one any more.

I would address your statement but I have been told off once already.

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Resurection of "Can any believer answer this?"

by Chap in

hi all.. there was an interesting thread a while back that i have a few things to add to.

i am new so i didn't know if anyone would see a post i would put there since the thread happened a few months ago.

it is going to take a while to put all my thoughts on the subject.

starScream

Since he did not believe in God, (he was a Darwinist) he was free to do what he wanted

I don't think that can be established so easily. Hitler was influenced by many things. He was a Catholic. Germany also had a lot of Aryan mysticism at the time too. The Nazis had a lot of Dogma, the SS especially, that basically told the German (Aryan) race were the Original Atlantians (from outer space of course). It was their destiny to rebuild Atlantis and the perfect Aryan race and then dominate the sub-races.

Hitler probably believed in God. The Nazis also tried to fulfill prophecy themselves. They were interested in Nostrodomus' prophecies concerning their rise to power and made special propaganda films based on it. The irony is they never finished reading the prophecy they were so keen on fulfilling. It was obvious that they lost in the prophecy.

As a direct result of Satan trying to nullify prophesy, Israel was restored as a nation

This is a major recurring theme. God usually doesn't have to do anything. It is usually his opposers that unwittingly help him out the most. Who can possibly believe that God could lose in a battle of witts with the devil or anyone?

The problem with everyone being free to do as he pleases is that not everyone wants the same things. Therefore, Satan is fighting against himself.

If everyone gets their own way then fairly soon there is an 'infinite' number of fool-gods trying to do an 'infinite' number of fool-god things. God save us from these fool-gods.

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Dizzy Christianity - Fraudulent and Evil Rotten - from beginning to end

by Xander in

was going to bump the other thread, but, this....just...... i mean:.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/murderers.htm.

some fun the early christians had:the pope's pears:.

starScream

To the one that demands proof that God exists...

Does creation exist? Does life show signs that a creator exists?

Life was not always here. It came from something. Something caused it. If it is your theory that the formation of life is a natural process then show me how the natural process turns non-living matter into complex chemical machines without any pre-existing life.

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Resurection of "Can any believer answer this?"

by Chap in

hi all.. there was an interesting thread a while back that i have a few things to add to.

i am new so i didn't know if anyone would see a post i would put there since the thread happened a few months ago.

it is going to take a while to put all my thoughts on the subject.

starScream

Maybe they were too scared to stand up for themselves, after all they saw what god did to Adam and Eve and to Satan when they exercised their free will.

Satan rebelled before the creation of Adam and Eve. God did not even do ANYTHING to Satan until long after the creation of Adam and Eve. So, after all, they didn't see any of what you stated. You can't accuse God of intimidation to coerce loyalty out of the other 2/3 of heaven it didn't happen like that. If anything Satan scared angels into worshipping him because they feared his wrath.

I dont wish to worship a god that makes a creation then punishes it for how he made it.

I don't either. God does not punish creation for the way he made it.

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Is Satan the good guy?

by blackout in

if i were to believe in the bible (which i am starting to totally disbelieve), i like the idea that satan was actually on mans side, and when you look at what he told eve he was actually telling the truth, it was god who lied.

this used to cross my mind as a witness but i would very swiftly dismiss it as demons affecting my thinking.

didn't he say we could rule ourselves if given a fair chance?

starScream

Mate you have very faulty reasoning and no logic.

I answered the question. Choosing the devil may not be an issue on Judgement day. Even though someone chose the devil it may not be held against them on Judgement day. This was statement number one.

Statement two:

Anyone choosing the devil will be screwed on Judgement day. They will be screwed because anyone choosing to the devil could not have chosen Christ which is the only way to not be screwed on Judgement day. This is not contradictory. You are assuming that by being screwed on Judgement day it is was because they chose the devil. That is where you are in error. You are assuming I meant in my second statement that choosing the devil would be a charge that is used to determine a verdict on Judgment day. All I meant was the type of person that chooses the devil DOES NOT choose christ and thus is screwed because they chose the devil even though they may not be found guilty FOR choosing the devil.

Pay better attention please.

I can not argue with you because you can't even see where your own statements are contradictory

Wrong, you can't see where my statements are contradictory. If you can, then tell me the contradiction. Don't just say I have faulty reasoning and no logic without exposing my error.

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Is Satan the good guy?

by blackout in

if i were to believe in the bible (which i am starting to totally disbelieve), i like the idea that satan was actually on mans side, and when you look at what he told eve he was actually telling the truth, it was god who lied.

this used to cross my mind as a witness but i would very swiftly dismiss it as demons affecting my thinking.

didn't he say we could rule ourselves if given a fair chance?

starScream

Starscream: First of all, that is not what Judgement day is for. Second, I think I have only implied that this will be an issue on Judgement day. That does not mean that it will be one, and it certainly won't be the deciding factor in someone's Judgment if it is.

Then you add:

Starscream:Anyone who is choosing the devil is screwed on Judgement day. End of sentence.

So which is it?

You think this is a contradiction? It is not. First of all the context of these two statements were different. The first statement had its context as whether or not taking the devil's side was a factor in the judgement of a person. I said it may or may not be a factor. I also said : "it certainly won't be the deciding factor in someone's Judgment if it is (a factor)." A deciding factor is something that can simply negate all other factors to make the determination. To make it clear I should have said the only deciding factor, that is what I meant though.

The other statement was also true. It is based on more than what I said but it is true just the same. If I say everything needed to clarify, you will probably get more upset, but here goes. Judgement day is to determine what someone has earned in life. Anyone being Judged on Judgement day would have to be perfect to not go to hell, which is where people recieve what they have earned. Don't make assumptions about hell like everyone else does. Since no one is perfect, anyone even being Judged on Judgement day is screwed (going to hell). The only way to not be screwed is to get out of Judgement day.

My statement: "Anyone who is choosing the devil is screwed on Judgement day. End of sentence," is true. This is not necessarily because of choosing the devil, as I said in my previous statement, but it is because anyone who chooses the devil is not going to find a way out of appearing on Judgement day.

Who can say, "I choose Christ and the Devil."

So yes, it would seem wrong if you didn't know those other things.