Posts by Legacy

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I feel disheartened, confused, betrayed, depressed and angry.

by NickJ999 in

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like many i probably hesitated to post anything.

i've been a baptized witness for 21 years.

i was raised roman catholic, went to a parochial school for 8 years, public high school, the usaf for 4 years during vietnam, got my first good job after the military in 1974 at age 25, got married in 1976, went to pentecostal, baptist churches for awhile, and was presbyterian for 8 years during my first marriage that ended after 10 years.

Legacy

Hi Nick,

I'm sorry that you had to go through this..I'm a witness....I go alot myself..sometimes I get so overwhelmed, & say, well if I could talk to an elder or sister or brother...then I say..hey I can talk to God...&&& you know this is what God was telling me all the time...I'm here...Man doesn't have time ....especially witnesses...they are on a guilt treadmill & if it's not them going through it, they say the samething over & over again, because they don't know either...think about this Nick...remember when the Israelites had to go through the Red Sea...that had to take courage....they most likely prayed to God, they didn't rely on man, they couldn't they had to escape...Nick, all that to say...God will help us through our trials...no at times he may not take them away....God does help us to cope...if you read the bible alone without the help of man's interpretation, you'll get it...it's a simple message....Go to God...as you see going to Man, you get no where...The Bible are life lessons...there isn't anything in there that can't help you...halls, churches are places to fellowship, & you may find a friend or answer, but most of the time...it's in the bible...I tell you of the Red Sea because that was a difficult thing to do...to see water on both sides of you & still you must walk...that took faith...yes, faith for the moment, but still in all faith....See how many things you have been through & you have come through them without the help of man....You are looking in the wrong place..man can't even direct his own steps...The friends at the hall are just people who are dellusioned, & I can also say...selfish...the answer is right there...in the Bible...Hope we talk again...

Legacy

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Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??

by Crazyguy in

just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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Legacy

Hi,

Certain friends just looked surprised & said....he is crazy....they couldn't believe what they were hearing...I enjoyed Bro. Herd....I kept saying...."Where is the Beef"...meaning...is this all there is....I thought it would be some type of new light...or something along those lines..but I guess with the new bible, the adjustments from the WT 7/15/2014, Jesus been in charge since 1914 & it's now one hundred years, and a few other adjustments. They must have thought, the friends have had a lot of changes....let's not overwhelm them too much. When the friends don't really say what's on their minds...the famous line is...."Great Reminders"....that's about all they can say...they really want to say...What the heck...but can't...I've only been in for a short time, but I'm picking up the lingo...safe lines to say....& they all say them...when we go to an assembly or whatever & it's anti-climatic.."It was great, good reminders, I got alot out of it (but they never say what)..although, there was alot of taking notes...of which none of them will ever look at again....

It was ok, but socks & spanx, we are not babysitters, etc...that could have been a WT study..Anyway, I think they are just testing the waters. Most of the friends said not too many folks get to go to Zone meetings...so we lowly ones felt special...me NOT...I feel special no matter what....God said I was...way before the GB's did...Nobody will say what they really felt...which was..." IS THIS WHAT YOU BROUGHT ME OUT TO SIT FOR 3 HOURS FOR, REALLY"? Trust me Lurkers, you know that's exactly what you thought but scared to voice it....same as with our jobs, go to some hyped up meeting & when you leave, you and your fellow workers say, Ah, what an insightful meeting, thrilling, learned so much, glad I went....when they get home...WHAT THE HECK WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT..

Legacy

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which is a better attitude: I can't respect it, but I understand it or I cant understand it , but I will respect it?

by MissFit in

so is it possible to understand a reason and not respect it?

shouldn't understanding lead to a respect of the reasons and actions?.

or can you respect the reasons and actions without understanding them?.

Legacy

Hi,

Try this thought....You may not like it, but you are not without understanding it....

Legacy

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A day at the convention.

by sparrowdown in

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friends

excerpts from my old meeting notebook.. i think i identified what my problem was: attitude!.

morning session: symposium, (something about god's will).

pt 1: what is god's will?.

Legacy

Hi,

I used to take notes, because they said to....but I then noticed I would miss what they were talking about....I did this for a while, even have a book for conventions & assemblies...you know what is funny....I don't open up that book until I go to the next assembly/convention...&&& you know what else nobody does either...I said that one day...I said, I don't take too many notes if any because I toss it in the back of my car & don't open it up again...I think most of the friends to the same thing, some even admitted it....they said, yeah, that's true...sheepishly....most of them do it to look like they are really into being a witness.... or..so they won't go to sleep....it's all a show...look at me I'm a faithful witness, see me..I take notes...The whole world is a stage & everybody plays a part...

I people watch too...Look at that brother, he sure is goodlooking..bet ya he got on a ring...yep, he sure does...where she think she going in those high heels...why don't that mother leave the child alone..stop giving it so much water, so you can keep going back forth to the bathroom room, I know that trick...stop handing the child to your hubby, he ain't checking for you ro the baby...Yo Brother, I know you don't change diapers at home, why are you doing it here....

It's all a show....but it's fun to watch folks ...fall asleep...& some snore too...

Legacy

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What JW's are afraid of~

by kairos in

just putting together a mental list:.

jehovah .

jesus.

Legacy

Hi,

THAT IT'S NOT GOD'S ORGANIZATION...& that's why the org. is fighting so hard regarding these scandals....they are afraid the friends will find out it's not God's org....they are more concerned over that then folks finding out that Jerusalem didn't fall in 607...

Legacy

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Child sex abuse cases mentioned at weekly meeting?

by HeyThere in

okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week.

she said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments.... did anyone else hear this from the stage?.

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Legacy

Hi,

I'm currently a JW...new...but, I really don't think that the majority of friends are dumb...they play dumb, until you make a mistake & they are smart as anything. The point is that they all read different sites (even though we aren't supposed to) but you can't say anything, because then you are exposing yourself...they know about these scandals, & some have even had experiences with someone either in their family or heard of someone who has gone to the elders because of a scandal. I have been to many meetings where when something is announced...just look at the body language, they stiffen up...because they have to act like it's water off a duck's back. Many of the friends come through some crazy lives...so the hall brings them some sort of peace. I've spoken to many of the friends...& some of their lives...yikes...So I don't think it's so much that they don't know or are dumb but that they have found a place where they are accepted...sure it's conditional, but it beats where they come from. I've also heard many in passing say somethings that are on this site & other sites...they just wish not to stand out & talk about it...For some there really is no where else for them to go..so they go along to get along...oh sure, there are some who really don't know or should I say pretend not to know...many not knowing things make them seem more holy to God, so they think. Most of them have isolated themselves into the org. so they only have one another...most have cut-off associating with anyone that's not a JW. I on the other hand have friends that are not JW's ...we respect one another, whether it be politics or religion. We have been friends for many many years & I have history with them. As long as they respect what I do & vise versa, it's all good. I've talked to many of the friends, because I make it a safe place for them to talk to me....I don't judge nor do I go around quoting scriptures when they are venting. So I know just by my experience, they are basically inbred.

Our zone meeting is this weekend, they may mention it or not...if they do, the org. is going to come out smelling like a rose, because they are mentioning it & to the friends, that's commendable...The friends would think if the org. had something to hide they wouldn't speak on it...Plus anything that happens to the org. is PURE PERSUCUTION...I've read several scriptures that God, will protect the innocent....but the org. is not innocent in this case...they knew of these scandals...& swept them under the rug...God does not protect liars...oh for a while, he'll let you get away with it...basically he'll let you dig yourself in so deep, then you have to face the outcome...so if the org. is praying for the Holy Spirit to help them, if the Holy Spirit is a upholder of Liars..then the org. is safe...if not..The Catholics won't be the only ones losing their congregation...

I've said this up & down this site...it's not the scandals, it's not he doctrine....the real reason many are in there...it's because ...IT'S GOD ORGANIZATION...no more no less....how many of us left a friend or love ones because we were mislead or lied to...but not so in the org...they have been mislead & lied to & most don't leave, even though the org. says they mis-understood..None of us would ever allow that if a person did that to us...

I know TTATT...I'll stay in the org...'til the Kool-aide get's real bitter...

Legacy

443

Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

by breakfast of champions in

this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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Legacy

Hi,

If they ask for more $$ to combat Satan, that would be really admitting that they are in the wrong. You only pay...to hush folks up...because you know you can't win. It's called ..."Giving In"...I say they should confess that they did hide the child abusers, because God told them to...& who could dispute them...Nobody can dispute that Jesus is now in charge visibly....also, they can say a new light, & that previously they had the understanding that God didn't want them to go to the police but to protect them...but now the light is brighter & God wants us to handle it differently...

No matter what, the friends will believe it but not leave...remember...it's not the doctrine, it's not the association, it's not the Truth, but God's own personal organization....they are part of an elite group, that is the attraction....I've said this all over this site...I'm still in...wasn't fooled when I came in. I like the friends, some are just a nuts as me, but good folks all the same. No matter what is said from the platform, they all chant the same response....BUT IT'S GOD'S ORGANIZATION & LED BY JESUS & THE HOLY SPIRIT...so you can bring up all the dirt that's in the org...they won't budge...now me...I'm not sure, only time will tell...I keep my thoughts to myself & shake my head in agreement....just being a christian can test ones faith...or just trying to be a decent person can test ones faith....

Legacy

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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

Legacy

@Phizzy....

Oh boy, its not just soooon, its Imminent !!!

I'm aggedon outa here !

Hilarious....I love it...I will try & remember that one...

This is a serious subject but that was a great comment...

All I can say is...When a witness came & told them that a brother molested their child...what did they do...did they say don't go to the police, did they hear it & hid the molestor...I've read so much on this site about it...but the real question is ...DID THEY BROTHER KNOW & IF THEY DID, DID THEY HIDE IT..& DID THEY THREATEN THE FAMILIES NOT TO TELL...THAT'S THE REAL MEAT & POTATOES...READ DEUT. 17:8-13...

Legacy

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

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Legacy

Hi,

This child abuse story has been all over this site..From what I gather, the GB's don't want to take the stand...Let's turn our bibles to Deut. 17: 8-13...Easy English says this about Deut. 17:8-13..

Some decisions were too difficult for local judges to make. There are three situations here. The first was about a person’s death. They had to decide whether it was by accident or by plan. The second was about which person had particular rights. The third was about a serious attack. The head of the court was probably the chief priest. The court made the final decision. The *Lord helped the judges to make the decision. Also, the judges had good experience. The people must act in agreement with the decisions of the judges. The people killed anyone who refused to obey the judge or the priest. That was because that person was acting against God. So God appointed these judges & so we have to obey them...that means the GB's too. So if the GB's refuse to show or answer...they'll have to answer to you know who..& what's even funnier, is that Deut. 14-18 are this weeks bible highlights..just in time...

Wonder how long this is going to go on ? The friends may never be able to swallow what's going on...for some this is the last stop for worship, so it may not matter if there are child abusers in the congregation...but what really matters to me is that the society knows & hides them & make folks afraid to go to the police...that's called...Bullying...

Legacy

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

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Legacy

@ Flipper,

They do know...as a matter of fact a friend told me of this..& they still say...Jehovah will take care of it...I know none of the elders will ever admit that they knew. So me telling them I have to have proof...Even for me it's hearsay...nothing in my part of the world is being said that any of this has happened...How do I get out there the fact that the elders knew & told the families not to tell...You know this to be true...they need hard core evidence. An elder has to be put on the stand & say...Yes your honor, I knew but instructed the families not to tell the police...straight from the horses mouth...then also say, they were told by the GB's to df anyone who does tell. Where's the transcript with that type of information...A brave enough elder/GB to say, yes, this is what we are told..Abuse cases have been plastered all over the media in certain places...& it's all pointing towards the victims...not the GB's gag order...Again it has to be in Black & white from the org. what do you say ? I could tell you more info. but the conversation happened recently, so you never know who is reading this site...Most folks have no where else to go, or afraid to go somewhere else...No other places say they are God's mouthpiece....that's where the org. shoots themselves in the foot...mistakes will always be made, but don't say you represent God & nobody else does...that's the rub right there...God is not partial...we learn that all the time...so why would witnesses think God chose only them ? That's not a humble attitute...& even if God did choose them....SHHHHH....keep it to yourself...

Legacy