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  Elders, apostasy and disfellowshipping issue's - thoughts please

  by FeelingFree in

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  ok so... when i was talking to my mil about why i no longer wanted to be a witness she kept trying to convience me that i needed to speak to the elders.

  i said from the word go i didn't feel the need to as my mind was already made up and no one could change it.

  i also said if the elders new all my reasons for leaving they would view me as an apostate and i would get disfellowshipped.

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  Dear Feelingfree

  I made the experience that they don't df you if you believe something differently.

  They asked me in many different ways the loyalty question (do you believe the fds is gods channel). They said from my answer they see that I don't accept the fds as gids channel. However they clearly said that I can believe whatever I want to. The crucial thing for them is, if I talk to others in the congregation about it.

  If they ever want to make a shepherding call or talk to me in the back room I will tell them.

  Thank you very much for your concern but my relationship to my creator (or to Jehovah) is very precious to me AND VERY PERSONAL. So I will not discuss that with you. If ever I need your spiritual advice, I will let you know.

  I am happy that you and your hubby are both on the way out. I wish you good luck. Just be always kind to your family that are in and the elders. When the elders realize they have no power over you, they will leave you alone.
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  Elders, apostasy and disfellowshipping issue's - thoughts please

  by FeelingFree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok so... when i was talking to my mil about why i no longer wanted to be a witness she kept trying to convience me that i needed to speak to the elders.

  i said from the word go i didn't feel the need to as my mind was already made up and no one could change it.

  i also said if the elders new all my reasons for leaving they would view me as an apostate and i would get disfellowshipped.

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  I discussed with the elders during many hours why I believe the blood doctrine and shunning is wrong. I told them why I don't believe the bible is infallible (god ordering genocide and killings of children), that I doubt the fds is god's channel and that I would accept a blood transfusion for me and my son in a medical urgency.

  After a long time debating and probably asking the CO or the branch they decided that they don't df me but that I just can't talk to other brothers about it. In that case they would df me for apostacy.

  Now they leave me alone.

  Better not to talk to them.
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  Jim Trafacant

  by Jeannette in

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  jim trafacant was involved in a very serious farm accident and is in a medically-induced coma.

  has anyone heard how his is doing this morning?.

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  Never heard of him.
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  Forcing child to watch JW.org kid's videos?

  by Darth Fader The Sequel in

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  2. beliefs

  we recently were visiting lifelong friends of ours in another state.

  these people are uber-devoted jw's.

  i mean they are prototypical "witness zombies" who do exactly what the gb tell them to without fail and always with a smile on their face.

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  It's good that she was disappointed as she "has" to watch it.

  Worse would be if she said with a happy face "Can I watch the Caleb cartoons?"
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  I am sooo screwed

  by Yondaime in

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  so last night i was talking to my sister about how i admired president obama's speech to the u.n that happened earlier that day.. i then compared the extremism of isis to how much of a fanatic my jw bil is.. at the end of the statement , my mom walked in to the kitchen.

  she was standing in the living room and she heard everything i said.. she called the elders that night to tell them what i said so they can counsel me.. i'm going to meet with them after the meeting on sunday!.

  what do i do?!!!!!.

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  You do not have to meet with them. It is your life, your decision.

  Be polite and say "No, I don't meet with you."

  You will feel strengthened.

  To your mum you can say. "Mum, I love you." "What I said was my opinion."
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  Reflections - Updating MD card - did you stop updating?

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
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  i finally removed my md card from my wallet yesterday.. although we were encouraged to create a new card annually, i had an internal hesitation, and a lack of enthusiam for it, as well as the meaningless cards for my kids.. the card that was pulled from my wallet was dated 1994. i obviously had some unconscious, if not conscious, problems with the borg, maybe with the 1995 generations bs.. did others stop updating their cards long before exiting?.

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  Don't let your kids carry that card.
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  Blown away-- where to go from here

  by All for show in

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  i stumbled upon this website a few weeks ago due to the jw.org ridiculousness, since then i haven't been able to pull myself away.

  the thoughts, feelings, and concerns i have had the past few years aren't just mine.

  it's global.

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  Welcome

  Thanks for your post.

  Many JWs think that to believe in Jehovah and Jesus means to believe in the organisation. But that's wrong. You can personally believe in Jehovah and Jesus and come to realize the organisation is wrong on many things and not guided by god.

  All the best in your journey.
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  Oh my God, I knew it!!!

  by Crazyguy in

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  i am a big fan of the group 30 seconds to mars, and whats amazing is many of their songs seem to have a anti cult theme like "huricane" "up in the air" and others.

  so after i watched a video of the song huricane, so i could see the lyrics i googled to see if they, the lead singer jared leto and his brother shannon, were former jw's and yes they were.

  crazy small world!!!!.

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  30 seconds to Mars is my favourite group.

  Some of their songs deal with religious topics and some are "anti cult" songs.

  Just look at the lyrics of the song "End of all days."

  30stm are especially a great live band.
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  Failure

  by backformore in

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  so tonight just sucks ad i just want to vent to people who don't know me irl.. my wife and i have two kids.

  i was still in when we got together but my wife never was.

  when we actually got married i moved out of my parents place and never went back to a kingdom hall again.

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  You and your wife did not Fail!

  You have 2 wonderful children. You are together as a family. You and your wife love each other. You are not stuck in WT land. You and your wife, why don't you concentrate all your love and strength for your 2 already existing wonderful children who deserve your FULL attention, care and love?

  Just some thoughts from a father of 1 son, after reading your post.
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  Goal for new service year

  by Daniel1555 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the secretary of the congregation said in a talk, what the congregation should have as goal for the new service year: attend field service meetings!.

  he explained in a sad tone, that he visited all of our 3 or 4 service groups.

  and what happened at the field service meetings.

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  Actually the service overseer is a very kind and approachable young brother.

  I think the reason is that most brothers hate field service. No wonder half of the congregation must be reminded in the middle of the month to hand in the report of the last month.