Posts by Daniel1555

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How would elders react if I tell them that I would accept blood?

by Daniel1555 in

just recently i explained to my parents and my wife in detail, why i would accept blood or red, white blood cells, platelets or plasma in a medical emergency.

i showed them the inconsistencies and flaws about blood fractions and also the biblical reasons that show clearly that jehovah and jesus do not want a jehovah's witness to die because of that wrong doctrine.. my parents reacted surprised.

they are both about 50 years in the "truth.

Daniel1555

Thanks for your comments.

Snare and racket: I have a baby boy. I would never ever risk his life for a wrong doctrin. Thats why I wanted this to be clear, how we react in our family.

I know that your advice is to not say anything. If I did there will be trouble.

My wife however WANTS me to do that. She believes the elders will help me spiritually to change my opinion. I told her that I won't change my feelings about it. Actually I am ready for anything. If they df or da me, that shows that it is a morally wrong religion. I don't realky wanna be part of a religion that urges its members to give up life unnecessarily and shuns people because they don't agree.

The question is. What would they do according to their book?

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How would elders react if I tell them that I would accept blood?

by Daniel1555 in

just recently i explained to my parents and my wife in detail, why i would accept blood or red, white blood cells, platelets or plasma in a medical emergency.

i showed them the inconsistencies and flaws about blood fractions and also the biblical reasons that show clearly that jehovah and jesus do not want a jehovah's witness to die because of that wrong doctrine.. my parents reacted surprised.

they are both about 50 years in the "truth.

Daniel1555

You can have any opinion you like. But if you "promote" an idea that is contrary to WT teaching, that will get you DF'ed pretty quick (if you don't recant).

Would elders accept that I have this opinion if I don't promote it? Or is just having that opinion already breaking the blood doctrine and areason for "disassociation by action"?

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How would elders react if I tell them that I would accept blood?

by Daniel1555 in

just recently i explained to my parents and my wife in detail, why i would accept blood or red, white blood cells, platelets or plasma in a medical emergency.

i showed them the inconsistencies and flaws about blood fractions and also the biblical reasons that show clearly that jehovah and jesus do not want a jehovah's witness to die because of that wrong doctrine.. my parents reacted surprised.

they are both about 50 years in the "truth.

Daniel1555

Just recently I explained to my parents and my wife in detail, why I would accept blood or red, white blood cells, platelets or plasma in a medical emergency. I showed them the inconsistencies and flaws about blood fractions and also the biblical reasons that show clearly that Jehovah and Jesus do not want a Jehovah's witness to die because of that wrong doctrine.

My parents reacted surprised. They are both about 50 years in the "truth." They are loyal witnesses but they were never extreme. That's why I had a very good childhood. They think for example that shunning someone like the org says is wrong and they would never do it with a family member. They thought deeply about the things I showed them. After a week they surprisingly said that they never thought of the things I told them before and that I am right with my reasoning.

My wife however didn't agree with my reasons. She told me I should talk to the elders about my decision. I think if I did that, they would view me afterwards as "disassociated by action."

What do you think? How would the elders react if I tell them my reasons (also biblical reasons) why I would accept blood? Would they tell me finally that they have to consider me disassociated by action even if I never "took blood" but just would take blood if all other options are used?

Does anyone have the information if the "Shepherding" book about this situation?

Thank you very much for your help.

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The New New World Translation: What a Blessing!

by breakfast of champions in

this new new world translation just puts god's holy word in a whole new new light for me!

just check out this comparison, and add some of your own if you wish!.

numbers 31: 17, 18 old new world translation.

Daniel1555

What does "save for YOURSELF" actually mean?

Does it mean just to keep them alive?

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Anything new BESIDES new bible release at the annual meeting?

by EndofMysteries in

so was it all just a new bible release or was there any doctrine changes, etc?

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Daniel1555

What is the actual name of the bible on the cover?

What is the rendering of Acts 15:29? Is it still abstain from blood?

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HELP. ELDERS COMING TO TALK WITH THE FAMILY

by Thoughtless in

so after the annual meeting, on sunday, the elders want to talk with my family.

i do not like this one bit.

perhaps i am being exposed.

Daniel1555

Don't worry. Just relax. Be kind to them. Don't talk to much. Or ask a kind and simple question.

It's probably the C.O. who told them that they have to visit some in their groups and do some shepherding calls

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NEWBIES are leaving like crazy! Be very afraid WT

by clarity in

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friends

# 3 newbie post.

first of all, the newbies have set a record here!.

have you ever seen a 4pg post where 21 new members reply!

Daniel1555

Thank you for your welcome

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I hate it that I have to lie so much to fade...

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

i am feeling down... i feel trapped, and don't know what to do... just need to vent here i guess.... so my mom calls me today, and asks how i am doing.

"how are you doing spiritually?

" i respond... yeah, you know, the usuals... service, meeting, etc.... she tells me that she's doing a lot of service with my dad... i say, "great!"...

Daniel1555

Dear ILTTATT

Just consider telling your mum how you feel (the truth), like you did with your dad.

She will maybe not have the same opinion as you. But a huge weight would be off from you and your dad..

I did the same with my mum and dad. They undrrstand my feelings and we continue to have healthy discussions.

Probably speak to your dad first, before you take any steps.

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EVIL SLAVE IS HYPOTHETICAL

by The Searcher in

the quotation used in today's wt study about the evil slave "being for all practical purposes, hypothetical", is taken from the net bible and was written by a bible 'scholar' from christendom!.

three points:.

1. jesus always spoke by means of illustrations & parables.. 2. matthew 24:45-47 is a parable!.

Daniel1555

How wt explains it, it could well be that they thenselves become this evil slave.

When I think about their bloodguilt because of the blood doctrin, the lack of love and natural affection they promote through the disfellowshipping and shunning, I think they already became that evil slave.

They wrote that Jesus will decide if that slave will be faithful or evil. But at the same time they say that they are faithful. That's like a school kid who was writing an exam and says "My exam is the best" before the teacher even looked at it.

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An Elder Reads CoC !!

by TTATTelder in

i have recently joined the site.

i was just appointed an elder this summer.

i started discovering the ttatt (the truth about the truth) last year after putting a few things together myself concerning the leadership and then doing some research online.. i really enjoyed jwfacts.com, jwsurvey, and others.

Daniel1555

Dear TTATTelder

I am feeling with you. 4 years ago they appointed me elder. In the talk with 2 elders before the announcement was made, I told them I didn't want to become an elder as I have doubts about certain topics. They just said that everyone has some doubting points. They pushed me into it.

2 years ago I couldn't bear it longer and wrote a letter that I don't want to be an elder anymore because I don't agree with disfellowship arrangement and doubt some bible passages where Jehovah is ordering genocide. They were shocked but accepted my stepping down. I just couldn't bear it longer the hypocrisy of being an elder with feelings that so much is wrong in the organisation.

In the last 2 years I researched more (especially also about blood). It is sad though that it damaged my marriage, as my wife just can't accept that I have different religious feelings than her. I don't know where this will end but sometimes it is like walking through a minefield.

But I tell you the feeling was great the day when I was no elder anymore.

I wish you all the best and hope to keep in touch with you

Daniel