Posts by Daniel1555

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How to accept the actions of the Old Testament God

by confusedandalone in

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how are we able to do this.. this is not an attempt to stir the pot or cause confusion but i was sitting here thinking of all the really horrid things that the old testament god did to people.

when i was a jw i just purposely put it to the back of my mind always trying to make an excuse.

when i was in field service and someone would ask me about it i would just change the subject.. however i have been reading alot of info lately here about how wonderful jesus is and how he is a direct representation of what god the father would be.

Daniel1555

Like you I put these horrible things (god ordering genocide, killing of babies, death penalty etc) just aside. As I became a father I couldn't do that anymore. So I studied a lot about it and came to the conclusion that the bible is not infallible and that the god there is just the tribal god of Israel and not the real creator.

I cannot believe anymore in such a god, ordering the cruelest acts everyone would be appalled if they happened today. My conscience doesn't allow that. I believe in a creator who is not graspable with our mind, unimaginable powerful and wise, who brought all natural laws into existence (and also the miracle for live to evolve) and gave freedom for all his works.

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Wife and kids are officially OUT!!

by Oneoutallout in

my wife has told her jw best friend and jw sister that she is givng up the religion!!

and there was i worrying about losing her when i left the cult.

and, to top it all, my 15 and 13 year old children are using their critical thinking skills and can see it all for what it is.

Daniel1555

Wow that is wonderful.

Just one question. When you left the cult, how did you do it? Did you disassociate, disfellowship or fade? How did your wife and kids react when you left?

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School for Couples - Age restriction raised to 65 yrs old

by Quarterback in

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wtf....apparently there is a new letter that states that the age for qualify for christian couples for serving where there is a new has been raised to 65. previous it was 55 yrs of age..

Daniel1555

The school is not only for couples, single brothers, now new also for single sisters.

So that means probably most students in the school are female.

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Christadelphians (Christ brothers/Sisters)

by Rip in

in my plan to exit the jw i thought it would be good if i adhere to another faith group, not cultish as the jw but non trinitarian.. this is decided for the sake of my children (two sons)'s spritual safety.

i researched the internet and in the non trinitarian groups i found these christadelphian.

any idea about this group?.

Daniel1555

Hi RIP

What about Unitarian Universalists (UU)?

They seem to me very tolerant and they have some very nice creeds.

All the best to you.

Daniel

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The fiance brought in witnesses today oh joy. QUESTIONS

by OneStepOut93 in

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so it's been seven months since i moved out of my parents place and in with my (now) fiance.

they came to our door this morning and it's been a long time since i spoke to my parents.

i was never disfellowshipped because i was never baptized but there is still online limited contact.

Daniel1555

You have a loving fiancě, that's wonderful.

You were not baptized. So your parents have no reason to shun you. Of course it might have been shocking for them that you moved out and lived with him. But with time I think they will get used to the situation.

You and your fiancé, just be kind and loving to your parents no matter how they react. Be also steadfast for your belief and don't pretend to do something you don't want to.

Good luck to you and your fiancé

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should I tell the CO my doubts?

by Captain Blithering in

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its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.

hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.

i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!

Daniel1555

Hi captain blithering

I expressed to the elders and to my wife most of my doubts.

That lifted a weight from my chest. So I was able to step down as elder and for me it was important to be honest especially towards my wife. The elders might want to continue to help you spiritually. The only thing they are able to tell you is to wait on Jehovah and that everyone has certain doubts.

If you tell your wife and also the elders, they will understand "why" you are fading.

If you have a loving wife she will respect your feelings and thoughts. My wife doesn't respect my feelings (or at least she is learning it over time). One suggestion I can give you. Do not try to reason too much with your wife or don't give her the impression that you want to change her belief.

Anyway I wish you all the best and I feel for you.

Daniel

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What is the best for the child if father knows TTATT and mother is a devout JW?

by Daniel1555 in

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hi friends.

i would like to know your opinion on the following:.

situation:.

Daniel1555

Wow, I love Datadogs advice how to be a good father and I will apply it.

Some of you don't seem to understand why I am talking to the elders about doubts. I just shortly explain. 3 years ago I wrote them a letter that I have to step down as an elder because of my feelings /doubts. Now during the last year they wanted to help me and my wife, so they met several times with me alone and also with us as a couple. They are kind and want to help, but they don't help actually, because the only thing what they tell me the whole time is that I am wrong and that I should be humble and accept that. They know about most of my doubts (actually they are not doubts anymore but certainties) except the blood issue. The blood issue is in my eyes the most important of the wrong teachings (next to df and shunning) as it can be a life or death matter. So in this matter I do not compromise and am ready to defend this stand (actually my parents who are 50 years in "the truth" agree with me on this) also before the elders.

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What is the best for the child if father knows TTATT and mother is a devout JW?

by Daniel1555 in

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hi friends.

i would like to know your opinion on the following:.

situation:.

Daniel1555

Of course I agree with you, Cofty.

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What is the best for the child if father knows TTATT and mother is a devout JW?

by Daniel1555 in

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hi friends.

i would like to know your opinion on the following:.

situation:.

Daniel1555

Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions.

I am aware that there might be more options like for example fading or staying in and gently over the years try to influence wife and child.

I will read Steven Hassans books and I try to look at the non cult personality of my wife.

But probably I am already heading for option 2, as next week the elders want to talk to me again about my doubts. My wife wants me to tell them also about my decision to accept blood and blood products in a life threatening situation for me and my child, as I don't want to be bloodguilty. So probably they will view me sooner or later as da by action which is fine for me, as the situation would be clear.

I will give my best to be mild and loving as I don't want to end up in divorce.

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What is the best for the child if father knows TTATT and mother is a devout JW?

by Daniel1555 in

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hi friends.

i would like to know your opinion on the following:.

situation:.

Daniel1555

Hi friends

I would like to know your opinion on the following:

Situation:

Father is a JW who is awakened and who fully knows TTATT; mother is a devout JW; child is 1 years old.

Father and mother stay together no matter if father leaves JW or not.

What do you think is best for the welfare of the child as he grows up?

1. Father knows TTATT and stays in (attending meetings etc), pretending everything is fine. Mother expects father to study with child and to conduct faith strengthening family worship. Mother indoctrinates child and expects father to do the same. Child has to live a JW life.

2. Father knows TTATT and is out for good (da or df). Mother indoctrinates child. Father is able to speak freely with child as everybody knows he is out. Child hears both sides (JW and TTATT side) and will be able to make own decisions.