Do other religions build nursing homes for "their" people? I've never needed to think about this, but I can't think of any homes that are specifically for persons of one religion or another. I've heard of Catholic schools, but not Catholic nursing homes.
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47WT's Billions $$$$$$$ & and NOT one Nursing Home for the Old
by JT inas i looked at these photos i could not help but to think of the $$$$$$ billions that they own around the world and they have not setup one retirement home for it's members.
outside of any members who are bethelites such as co, do, missionaries who have spent 40-60yr of service to the corp they have no where to go.
how sad.
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Kingdom Hall being sold to church
by tinman72 inok, maybe not a real scandal, but this really bugs the hell out of me!
in short, the kingdom hall i went to as child and teen, is being sold to a church.
my mother (still active) informed me of this.
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The Society also gave direction recently in a QFR about buying property from another religion. Basically, they view it as a 'business deal' and the only thing they frown on is "socializing" with the sellers. So you can do business with them, just don't be too friendly.
What's a QFR?
I think it's wrong for them to sell to "Babylon". Doesn't it allow the false worshipers to have a place to gather?
In a rural area somewhere near Watchtower and/or Patterson, there was an assembly hall smack in the middle of a large Hassidic community. The Witnesses were supposedly met with nasty looks and the occasional rock thrown at their car as they drove in, which was one of the reasons for selling it. They did in fact sell that hall to the Hasidim, and built a brand new one in another area (which I believe suffered a strange fire just before its completion).
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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him
by SpiceItUp ini honestly want your answers to the following questions.
(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)
question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?
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Thanks Alan. I appreciate the extra 20th century references as well.
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JW's that tried to Blackball my Hubby in work , since D/A
by LyinEyes inmany of you know that my husband's work is fixing hail damage in cars, and that we have traveled for 10 years from colorado, texas, ok, kansas, etc.
but those mainly were his best contacts , and also all jw's in the business.. last summer one of our best contacts who lives in co, called to tell my husband that he had a hail storm hit that very day, and said that since he has d/a himself he will no longer work him.
i understand that some may not let their conscience do that being firm jw believers.
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Anyone out there, take heed of everyone's advice. DON'T LET WITNESSES DO WORK FOR YOU!
How fair would that be? You're going to prejudge every member of this religion and affect their income? On what grounds, that they think they are serving God?
All the anecdotal stories about personalities, swindles and shoddy work have nothing to do with religion.
As Asleif said:One brother who was a close friend was an excellent carpet and linoleum layer. He did beautiful work. But he would have whether he was a JW or not, I think. He was (is) just a good person.
One's religion has no bearing on the quality of his work. If anything, I think Witnesses tend to be especially conscious of the quality of their work, knowing that it reflects on Jehovah. Yes, I know plenty of JW hacks who call themselves contractors, but I also know of 50-60 hispanic immigrants taking jobs daily they are not qualified for.
Let's not prejudge everyone, OK? Or have all the Christian qualities gone out the door with the New World Translation? :)
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What is funny, is they just don't get it!
by Sprocket ini wanted to pass on a recent experience i had.
my mother passed away a few months ago.
the funeral was poised to be a sensitive issue since, when i left the truth 4 years ago, none of my children (all adults and still active in their faith) have spoken to me.
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gcc2k
Sprocket, I'm sorry for your loss, on both levels.
Perhaps if you son knows why you left, and that it wasn't because of some action but because of your beliefs, he might be willing to listen. Offer him the chance to show you the light, to refute your beliefs, and perhaps he will take you up and come across some new light himself. Of course, fear may prevent him from doing this - a close friend once told me "I don't want to hear this, stop." when I tried sharing the issues I was personally concerned with.
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gcc2k I apologize, please accept- james
by JT ini would like to apologize for coming off so hard on you.
i really fell into doing what i have often told others not to do and that is to dog a new person on the net- sometimes one gets carried away esp after one has done the level of research on the org that myself and many many many others have done.
so sometime when a person like yourself comes on the net and makes a comment about the org, that we know is not true - instead of helping you or anyone else to see where we got our info and and more importantly allowing a person to digest this info.
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Thank you for your public apology JT. Thanks also for sharing some of your experience. I won't make any comment on the racial issues (which I guess I didn't know existed, but I could see that happening).
The professional help I sought had little to do with religion, though I think that was a small factor in the problems I was facing.
I applaud the efforts to uncover the dirt on the WTBTS so people can judge for themselves whether or not this is God's organization (for those who care to believe such a thing). My challenge to those of you who do this is to be 100% honest and accurate with the information you provide. In the mind of the JW, there is no room for innuendo, implications, or rationalizations. There is only black and white, good and evil, right and wrong. So, if you are trying to gain an audience there, it is important, as I said on the BB/Silentlambs/CBS thread, to be untouchable. Yes, a media bite about absolutist elders sounds good, but then the viewers flip back to Iraq or basketball. But to the JW, who is sitting there trying to find fault with the statements and unable to, the message conveyed in the broadcast will sink in, and will begin eating him up inside.
Peace.
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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him
by SpiceItUp ini honestly want your answers to the following questions.
(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)
question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?
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Sword,
You didn't answer my previous question. Would you? I am here for an open discussion, not to antagonize you.
You said:
WTBTS being a NGO member: This is another example of how the enemies of Jehovah blow things out of proportion. WTBTS has given a simple explenation over what happend, but no it is imposibble for the enemies of the organization to accept that simple explenation. They have to come up with some big conspiracy theory to try to make the brothers look like bad guys.
WTBTS has given an explanation, and documentation from the UN has proven that explanation to be false. The UN says that being an NGO was not necessary for "library access" as the WT claims, and that policy predates the WTBTS' membership in the UN. I have personally written to the UN and verified that the documents posted which are attributed to the UN are genuine. Do you have an explanation for this then, or should I write the Society and ask myself?
Answer this honestly - what, if anything, would cause you to lose confidence in the WTBTS as being used by Jehovah? What would shatter YOUR confidence? If your answer is "nothing", then you are wasting your time at this site.
An elder said many years ago, "if the things you are saying are true, then that means I've wasted most of my life, and I am not willing to accept that possibility." So much for making sure of all things. -
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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him
by SpiceItUp ini honestly want your answers to the following questions.
(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)
question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?
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I'm loathe to agree with Francois, but he quotes the WT as saying:
Jehovah's witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them. ... It has been because Jehovah thrust out his hand of power and touched their lips and put his words in their mouths...
Combine that statement with the change in understanding about the generation (and the corresponding change in the masthead of Awake!) and that is what has shattered my confidence in "Jehovah's organization."
SwordofJah, how do you personally reconcile the two?
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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him
by SpiceItUp ini honestly want your answers to the following questions.
(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)
question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?
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Regarding the question 5:
*** Watchtower 1989 January 1 p.12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]
[as originally published in Watchtower magazine]The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.
*** Watchtower 1989 January 1 p.12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" ***
[as it appears on Watchtower bound volumes & CD-ROMs]The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day.
Does the bound volume or CDROM contain any indication that this was changed/edited/corrected?
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gcc2k asked "WHAT IS THE CURRENT VIEW"
by JT inmade the following comments
1. the quotes showed are pretty old.
what proof is there that this is the current view?
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waiting says:
JT's right in encouraging you to read, think, ponder. Read some more. There's a vast wealth of information on the web and in books. Current books with up-to-date quotes for you. There's a whole website called appropriately "Quotes" which is nothing but that....for people like you.
This is the problem with people making generalized statements about others on this site - you don't know the person you are talking about.
I've read the quotes site, generally very good except for running off course in a few areas.I am inactive BECAUSE of the changes and new light, specifically the generation change. It was the first time I directly had been affected by a shift in policy, leaving me to wonder how these people could be receiving divine direction.
I am not, as others have suggested, a reformer. However, if the Society announced tomorrow that several major doctrines were now a conscience matter, opened up their financial records, and offered a copy of the private files to their respective owners, I might consider coming back to meetings. Fat chance, right?
I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience in therapy. I know of several people, all in good standing, who are in therapy today. Some opted for a JW therapist, others are seeing "worldly" people. I myself saw a therapist a few years ago (worldly). The thing you will not get with a JW therapist is an exploration of things you might want to do, but know are wrong. For example, my therapist discussed a few possible courses of action with me and then brought up one I left out. "Why not have an affair?" "Because I know it's wrong."
I think everyone is entitled to get the professional help they need, medical, mental or otherwise, and it's no one else's business, elders or not.