so this morning i was thinking about a few things that hit me like a ton of bricks:.
1. god destroyed the entire earth because man was evil - yet right after he destroyed them for being evil he said that he will never destroy all of manking again because the are evil.... 2. god asked noah to bring two of every kind on the ark.
then he gets off the ark and sacrifices some of these animals.
@ confusedandalone
To have to die and eventually suffer death is the saddest thing on earth. And I feared it all my life. I sometimes cry when I hear of loss and dying. None of those living in those days would have lived to this day. They all would have died. There are much more horrible deaths than drowning. Horrible is the expectation of the pain and the loss of everything. The dying happens so fast there is not much pain and thinking.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
@ Fade to Black - There is some reason to believe for the early history of e.g. the Egyptians and Sumerians to go back to the very roots of civilisation and to claim the oldest share in their kingdom.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
Even the Mayan calendar seems to be more accurate than the Massoretic numbers. (They may have reduced in order to let Abraham stand out, which was unnecessary to do.) The Mayans give a date of 3114 B.C. for the first day after their flood.
Computations in accord with the Greek Septuagint, Jos. Flavius, and Samaritan Pentateuch diverge. There is some text criticism necessary (e.g. regarding the added appearance of a Kainan as in Luke's genealogy, not in the older manuscripts and citations, though).
Besides, most likely there were rounded numbers used (to the ten), which do not allow to compete with the Mayans in exactness (whether their number is correct or not, I can not say).
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
A date near 2370 B.C. is historically impossible and not even supported by the probably older textual sources.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
If there was no flood and there were no God to help, we would probably die, whether we believed in a flood or not. And if there was a flood, it still does not make a difference for us, because - as it is written - there will be no more flood like that one again. And this we may know, by our trust in the scriptures that say so or just by the likelier ones of available scientific evidences.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
Whether there has been a flood or not. None of us was there when it happened or not.
If it happened, we may have comfort that all other thingswould come to pass as well. And even more miraculous things than getting a number of families or couples of marsupialians to some distant part of the earth.
The land Nod in which Kain reportedly had gone, was eretz nod, the same word eretz that means earth as well as land in Hebrew. We do not know: was it the whole inhabited land that was meant to be drowned in that flood or the entire earth. We do not even know, whether Moses knew it. He only edited these earlier documents. (His name does not even appear there once.)
What we read is this: If it was as reported, the whole geography and atmosphere must have been very different than it is today. If there is a river (Tigris, Euphrates) or even a land (Cush, Ashur) of the same name today as before, this does not mean much. There is a York and a Orleans and Vienna in the new world, which formerly was and still is in England, in France, in Austria. The New was added just because the old was still there. (Just for Vienna IL it would have been too ridiculous to call it the new one, since nobody knew it anyway).
at the thread about jaracz steve2 made the following interesting comment.
by now, ted should be finding his heavenly posting a routinized bore: 4 years and still counting.
he will have chaffed at the notion that all decisions are made by jehovah god who consults no one and who brooks no questioning or independent thinking.
It would be the same one people of outstanding honest and great individuals who truly made their way and - knowingly or not because there is no partiality with God - ended up being like the best of the prophets, the truest of the apostles, the kindest of men and women, maybe unseen, few of them like a Moses or a Daniel or a Paul. And they should be like the Son of Man will be, with humankind, friends as priests should be and as the Christ was (the human, not the religious one) and kings not for themselves, for all others so they would become like he is.
(as reference e.g. Letter to the disciples in Rome, ch. 8. Revelation ch. 22)
at the thread about jaracz steve2 made the following interesting comment.
by now, ted should be finding his heavenly posting a routinized bore: 4 years and still counting.
he will have chaffed at the notion that all decisions are made by jehovah god who consults no one and who brooks no questioning or independent thinking.
In this point the jw doctrine really is mistaken.
He h e a r e d 'Israel, 12 times 12000 out of these tribes'.
When it came to s e e i n g , though, what did he see?
'A crowd of people no human could count, out of e v e r y tribe and people and nation and language.'
There were no two classes of disciples meant in all this.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
What definitely would speak against such a flood from an ethical point of view is the notion of a final individual judgement that goes with it against scriptural hints that point in a different direction: God making everything new and bringing back into life all that has gone lost.
Judgement in its true sense is a bringing to right and repaying for loss, a healing i.e. a making whole and sound again and a revealing of each one's truth.
first time i ever heard anyone say there was 'proof' of noah's flood.. very interesting,.
showed a trawler, where the team dredges regularly in the north sea - for animal bones, massive land animal bones, mammoths.. he said, originally, the bones were sent for analysis, and the dr stated, they were proof of noah's flood.. the north sea area was a land mass of dry grazing lands.
and it was very similar to africa.. many bones were found in london, of lions, hippos, etc ... when they were digging out the underground.. .
@ brother of the hawk
What I find fascinating about the languages is the observation of the grammar ever getting less elaborated, making speech a little clumsier and less to the point in the nuances and losing some of the beauty of the original brevity (due to the former grammatical density).
Another interesting thing is the differences of the languages a n d their similarities and parallels, the drifts in the semantics from one to another.
@cofty
You are right. Excuse me. My English is weak. I meant the reporting and handing down of scientific findings. Science tradition or the reception of scientific concepts in the public intellectual debate is what I wanted to refer to.
