I don't think anyone wakes up completely on their own, there's gotta be some information that is given to them for them to wake up. I credit jwfacts for my waking up.
ILoveTTATT
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Did you AWAKEN from the JWs by yourself?
by cultBgone ini was thinking about how so many posters here on jwn are frustrated and frantic to help their loved ones get away from the brainwashing of jws, and how much advice is given about how to help family members and loved ones.
i considered my own leaving and that it was internal turmoil based on the teachings getting weirder and child abuse issues, to name just a few, and it made me wonder:.
did you self-awaken or were you assisted by the gentle proddings of a friend or family member?
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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ABibleStudent,
My parents have not really improved in their critical thinking skills, but we are at peace. I have been the one that has improved, I don't mention the JW subject and have constant communication with them, for whatever excuse...
About the database: I agree with placing country and state in separate columns, that would make it easier to search. I have in the database the hyperlinks to the news sources, unfortunately, the news sources I use are repositories and only the people who have access to my university library can see them...
They can probably try looking for the name online and find some "free and open" sources.
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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Here's my best response to your objection, flamegrilled:
I strongly believe that everything can be placed into a bell curve: intelligence, height, how fast you can run, how long you'll live, etc...
And I think that survival levels with blood or without blood can also be placed in a bell curve.
Only one human in recorded history has lived past 120. The life expectancy is 85. Similarly, only a few humans can run 100 meters in less than 10 seconds, most run it in 20 seconds, only a few humans are above 2.50m in height, average is 1.80m, etc...
Only a few humans can survive, without harm, the levels of hemoglobin that some JW's have survived, such as 2.0 g/dl. The lowest accepted "safe" threshold is currently 7.0g/dl. JW's proved that the threshold of 10 was too high, and that it was acceptably safe to bring it to 7.0
But there are hundreds of other factors and I am not a doctor and I could be completely wrong here.
The many reports in the media show that you CAN attribute at least a higher, sometimes MUCH higher probability of death without blood, and you can MOST CERTAINLY argue that to transfuse is better than not to in cases of severe, acute blood loss (such as a car accident), or cases of severe anemia.
I read in some of the reports that doctors estimated XX% probability of survival with blood, and X% without. In one case it was 90% vs 5%. So it would be tough to argue that the refusal of blood was THE cause of death, the cause of death was the previous condition, but it can be argued that the lack of blood precipitated the death. -
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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This is what I have from just two sources:
Name, Age at death, place where they were from:
Woman 63 UK Woman Michigan Joshua McAuley 15 UK Allison Mallender 44 UK Emma Gough 22 UK Stephen Jehu 1 Australia Sara Cyrenne 12 Ontario Frederick Charles Garthe 54 Australia Elizabeth Burgers 28 Australia Avril Stevens 24 Australia Veliza Humphries 37 UK Woman 44 Australia Nicola Gleff 35 UK Girl 8 Honduras Anita Brown 25 California Adeline Kweku Keh 40 UK Rachel Ridell 32 New Zealand Juliana Bonfim da Silva 13 Brazil -
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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ILoveTTATT
I guess the story of that boy in Australia who was 17 and refused a BT was history repeating itself. An almost identical case, in 1961:
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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ILoveTTATT
Wow Azor so sorry to hear... Thankfully the authorities in most cases now can save babies and teenagers... but I am apalled at how many times the JW's are on the news and have been on the news, historically, because of this ONE reason!!
I have at least 49 news stories now, and I have only done two archival websites!! The "trove" has almost 180 stories, JUST FROM NEWSPAPERS IN AUSTRALIA, from 1945 to 2013...
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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First time in Australia a person was on trial for manslaughter for refusing a BT for his newborn child.
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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ILoveTTATT
The end result would look something like this:
Just from a couple of hours or research, I got to see at least 6 confirmed deaths in the news in the past 9 months, and at least 12 children for whom doctors ordered blood transfusions.What if we had a database like this:
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This idea might not be new, but does a website like this exist?
by ILoveTTATT ini am deeply upset every time there's someone in the news who has died because of the stupid and immoral blood doctrine.. i would like to make a website documenting every single instance of a news report of someone dying from lack of a blood transfusion, and to keep track of it.
that would give some data on the real and current incidence of deaths due to the blood transfusion doctrine.. is there already a website like that?.
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ILoveTTATT
http://www.straight.com/movies/739011/viff-2014-quebecs-ensemble-drama-miraculum-impresses
Another cool fictional story involving JW's and blood