Posts by ILoveTTATT

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What would be the best decision if we took out all the religion out of the blood issue?

by ILoveTTATT in

i am wondering this:.

what surgeries/procedures/situations have been shown to be life-or-death decisions without blood?.

i only know, currently, of trauma (car accident, gunshot wound, etc).... what would be treatable exclusively with "no blood fractions" and with "no procedures using my blood"?.

ILoveTTATT

I am wondering this:

What surgeries/procedures/situations have been shown to be life-or-death decisions without blood?

I only know, currently, of trauma (car accident, gunshot wound, etc)...

What would be treatable exclusively with "no blood fractions" and with "no procedures using my blood"?

If I had never been a JW and I asked a doctor, can I/should I have a policy of refusing blood as much as possible, opting for any bloodless alternative if available, and using blood only as a last-case resort? Would this expose me to higher risks?

I.E.

Risk of dying while not taking blood after having a car accident: 35%

Risk of dying from illnesses such as HIV, HepC, HepB, TRALI, acute immune hemolytic reaction, etc, all added up: possibly less than 1%

Can someone make a list of different scenarios, like the one above?

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What other ancient Greek Manuscripts contained the divine name?

by yaddayadda in

the society in appendix 1a of their 'kingdom interlinear translation of the christian greek scriptures' refers to nine other greek manuscripts as containing the divine name, and they quote from jerome as referring to certain 'greek volumes' containing the tetragrammaton.

can anyone shed any light on what these greek manuscripts and volumes are and their dates of writing?

here is what the society says in full: .

ILoveTTATT

Comatose:

I made a study as to why it is hidden:

The information is just spread out in so many places!

The "we believe in the Bible because of so many manuscripts" part is on books such as the "All Scripture is Inspired" book, and the Awakes.

The "we believe all NT texts are corrupted because none of them use the name "Jehovah"" is in the Insight book and a couple of Watchtowers, plus appendix 1D in the RB8 (The big Bible), and the Kingdom Interlinear (1969 edition)...

Technically, everything is in our own faces, but very spread apart... very few (if anyone) can ever connect the dots. Thanks to Paul and JWfacts.com, I was able to connect the dots and confirm all of this info.

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Truth Be Told Documentary showing in San Francisco

by SeekingTheRealTruth in

this is from a member of another ex-jw group.

if there is anybody living in the bay area..please try and attend!!

id like to announce to you that the movie, truth be told a documentary about growing as a jehovahs witness will be showing in san francisco.

ILoveTTATT

Can this movie even be purchased in a DVD/Blu-ray?

I would LOVE to see it!

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What other ancient Greek Manuscripts contained the divine name?

by yaddayadda in

the society in appendix 1a of their 'kingdom interlinear translation of the christian greek scriptures' refers to nine other greek manuscripts as containing the divine name, and they quote from jerome as referring to certain 'greek volumes' containing the tetragrammaton.

can anyone shed any light on what these greek manuscripts and volumes are and their dates of writing?

here is what the society says in full: .

ILoveTTATT

Data Dog:

Great resources on the following websites/books:

jwfacts.com

Jason BeDuhn - Truth in Translation - Appendix

This book provides an excellent explanation of why the WT is wrong.

(This book generally agrees with the NWT in their renderings, but makes this scathing remark:

the name never appears in any Greek manuscript of any book of the New Testament. So, to introduce the name "Jehovah" into the New Testament, as the NWT does two-hundred-thirty-seven times, is not accurate translation by the most basic principle of accuracy: adherence to the original Greek text. (p. 169)

www.tetragrammaton.org (written by a non-JW, examines in mind-boggling depth if the Tetragrammaton ever appeared in the NT)

Just FYI, THIS was what led me to TTATT... I was unsure of what to believe, so I was a lurker, but this changed me from being a doubter to completely 100% never again believing the JW's...for most people, messing with the Bible is a deal-breaker!!

Data Dog, also, it is the way they write their theory that makes it so hard for the average JW to never understand! Here's the theory, in short:

The LXX (Septuagint) is a GREEK TRANSLATION of the HEBREW SCRIPTURES. It was made around the 3rd century BCE. The original was lost, and fragments have been found that date to the 2nd century BCE. One of the fragments has the Greek, and then all of a sudden, the Hebrew Tetragrammaton. This fragment, since it is from the 2nd century BCE, would lend weight to the THEORY that the Tetragrammaton was originally in the Septuagint, and then removed.

The WT says that, since it happened to the Septuagint, it COULD HAVE happened to the NT. However, there are over 5000 manuscripts, and NONE of them have the Tetragrammaton.

PM me if you want more explanation... but, after many months of deep study, it is clear to me that the WT is plainly and simply WRONG.

ILTTATT

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Any Filipino XJWs here?

by Frazzled UBM in

my wife is filipina and i ge the impression they are a bit different from other jws in regard to shunning family - my sister-in-law is df'd but the family does not exclude her but she does sort of oerpate ont eh margtin of the family.

i wonder wheterh there are any differences with filipino jws.

i get the feeling that less of them fade or leave voluntarily once baptized but weopudl like some confirmation of whether that is correct..

ILoveTTATT

I have had similar experiences with Filipinos... even Filipinos of other religions don't really buy into the religion too much... I have even known of apostates freely stating their views with no consequence...

As regards Latinos, it depends on the people... it's a mixed bag. I guess since they are in the Americas and Freddy Franz and many others have paid their attention towards Latin America, that the attitudes are similar to the North American/Anglo JW's. However, family IS important, and I have seen a lot of JW's not care about the shunning.

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Hi all

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

jw
friends

firstly, love and greetings to all - i've been lurking here and elsewhere for a long time and have benefitted more than i can say.

i'm still in - i have a genuine fear that coming out would kill my mother - but i've recently taken the first step away.

i told a non-jw friend that i knew it was all a load of nonsense and i didn't believe any of it.

ILoveTTATT

Hi Saltheart!

Welcome to this forum!

I am still in, and unfortunately I made some mistakes along the way. Thankfully my father is very open minded and is learning TTATT... Why is it ALWAYS the mothers who are the hardest to convince? Anyways... post here often, and I wish you the best. Start making a network. Think of everyone and anyone who is not a JW in your life, who has been a friend at some point, and try and re-establish contact with them. Also, if you have family that is non-JW and NON-RELIGIOUS (This is important!!), then by all means talk to them. Interestingly, while talking to the non-religious, non-JW family, we discovered that a member of my family is getting into another cult (not JW's), but by talking about my own experiences, I helped my family members discover that the other family member could become a member of a cult.

Again, wish you the best,

ILTTATT

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Where can I get Steven Hassan's book?

by UBM101 in

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friends

can't find the paperback version of "releasing the bonds", tried to order freedom of mind from amazon but kept on encountering problem with address (i guess they don't deliver to asia??).

been looking in montreal the whole day but to no avail yesterday.

i'll be going back to asia in a few days :(.

ILoveTTATT

You can get the e-book version, which you can then read at any time and anywhere on the amazon website.

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Radiolab Episode: Blood

by enigma1863 in

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friends

i was listening to an episode of radiolab on blood.

i thought the last section would be interesting to jws.

its about the big business of selling blood.

ILoveTTATT

I have seen in the Marvin Shilmer website that a witness received a letter saying that witnesses ARE allowed now to donate blood, as long as they make sure that their blood is used to replenish the fractions they have taken. I am sure that very few or no JW's know about this, but if somehow the letter can be made known to more people, and maybe someone can publicly donate blood just for the purpose of making this letter known... Maybe say that conscienciously, that person cannot take the blood from others and then not give back.

Idk just throwing this out there... anyone?

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Update on my story

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

for all you who are just reading this forum and find out the truth about the truth: learn from my mistakes please!!.

with the wisdom that i have gotten from jwn, reading freedom of mind by steven hassan (yes, i finally read it!

), i now have changed my strategy: .

ILoveTTATT

Hi everyone!!

For all you who are just reading this forum and find out the truth about the truth: Learn from my mistakes please!!

With the wisdom that I have gotten from JWN, reading Freedom of Mind by Steven Hassan (yes, I finally read it!), I now have changed my strategy:

1. If I tell anyone TTATT, get people to think using things that are important to them, like the blood issue.
2. Exclusively use information that can be found in the WT Library... there's sufficient info there to "put them away" for a long time
3. I will not tell any more JW's besides my dad about TTATT, I hope that the few that I have told forget that I told them, I will just be there but not talk to them or touch the subject anymore. If I tell people TTATT, it will be people who have never been JW and only to have them be a part of my support network, which I am growing.
4. I have told my dad that our conversations are private, and that there is absolutely no consequence to anyone if we just talk about things privately. He has already kept other things that I have told him from my mom, so I know he can keep confidentiality. I have also told him that, if I convince him of all the things that I say to him (He seems to be accepting more and more the things that I say to him)... that he will have to have a fade-out plan. He agrees with this, we will start thinking of a fade-out plan for myself and for himself. We will also think of ways to make my mom think critically without making it too obvious... I have asked her, for example, do you REALLY think the world is bad? I mean, I hate it when the news makes a perfectly OK place a "dangerous" place by exagerating the risk!

Now that you have read the update, my question is, should I "Wait and see" with the people I have told TTATT to? I sure am "keeping my fingers crossed," and even praying (ironically), that they do not go to the elders.

Should I recant? I think that recanting would be the WORST thing possible since it will effectively mean that those people are lost forever... and I don't want that!! It would reinforce into them that resistance is futile... even a really smart person could be wrong, thought the WT was wrong and then he repented...

I think that the best course of action is speeding up the process with dad, and slowly, both of us, starting the process with mom, and hoping that other people will not tell on me. If other people tell on me, I am screwed!!

P.S. In a very liberating act, I ripped my blood card. I will post tomorrow about my current blood issue beliefs.

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Why Still Go?

by Thoughtless in

for those who are disfellowshipped or da'd, why do you guys still go to the kingdom hall?

i am just curious to the fact, because if they are teaching falsehood, why partake in it?

i mean, you do not have to maintain appearances any longer, so what is your motivation or reason?

ILoveTTATT

Thoughtless:

Think about why they make "apostasy" such a big deal, almost to the point of being unforgivable! Here's two scenarios to think about:

1. A born-in JW gets a girlfriend. Then one night, as normal human beings, passion takes over and they sleep together. She ends up pregnant, they decide to go to the elders and they are disfellowshipped. They truly believe they are in the "truth" and believe they have done wrong.

2. A person learns about the changed Bible, how they have changed their viewpoint about the blood |doctrine", how they fit the definition of a high control group and they fit the definition of a damaging cult... etc etc...in short, they learn the truth about the "truth".

Which one of them will go back? Which one of them, if it is possible for them to leave, will never go back?

Think about that!