Well a regular blood transfusion isn't allowed, however fractions of that blood transfusion are allowed. The literature leads people to believe that a blood transfusion is made up of whole blood, which it isn't. If someone is just explained what a transfusion actually is, then their argument as to not get one goes away.
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Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited
by insearchoftruth ini know very little about medicine, but from the reading i have done on this and other boards, i understand that the matter of conscience to allow blood fractions has most likely saved many lives.. very few tranfusions done today are whole blood, but i don't know how many.
was wondering if anyone here knows what portion of transfusions that take place are not allowed..
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Wanted: JW apologist to explain how Michael is Jesus is Michael
by Mad Dawg ineverything jw's teach comes from the bible only.
where in the bible does it say that michael is jesus?.
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I figured you would respond here Reniaa, I forgot to post the one about Michael rebuking Satan.
Regardless of how you look at it, you're simply pointing out similarities. If we can count similarities of Michael and Jesus then conclude them as being the same person, we should be able to do the same with Jesus and Jehovah.
The one trump card that Jesus and Jehovah have is that Jesus says "I and the Father am one"; while no where in the scriptures does Jesus acknowledge such a thing for him and Michael.
I would say it's a circumstantial case for Michael and Jesus, just as it's a circumstantial case for Jesus and Jehovah. You know what the scriptures say regarding drawing conclusions like this "Do not go beyond what is written."
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Blood, with fractions allowed, what 'transfusions' are prohibited
by insearchoftruth ini know very little about medicine, but from the reading i have done on this and other boards, i understand that the matter of conscience to allow blood fractions has most likely saved many lives.. very few tranfusions done today are whole blood, but i don't know how many.
was wondering if anyone here knows what portion of transfusions that take place are not allowed..
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No transfusions are done of whole blood, once blood is collected it is separated right away for storage purposes. This has been the case since 1935. Even if someone received all the components of blood chances are they wouldn't be from the same donor just the same type of blood.
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Wanted: JW apologist to explain how Michael is Jesus is Michael
by Mad Dawg ineverything jw's teach comes from the bible only.
where in the bible does it say that michael is jesus?.
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It doesn't say that Jesus IS Michael anywhere in the Bible. I'm sure Reniaa will point this out that Jesus AND Michael are both attributed with leading God's army at Armageddon, both attributed with casting Satan from heaven and the last scripture they say is that Jesus is described as having an archangel's voice. Since there's only one archangel in the bible, he must be Jesus.
What they don't account for is numerous times in the bible people are attributed with doing the same thing, and just because Jesus had an archangel's voice doesn't mean he's an archangel it is just a way to describe Jesus' voice.
My argumentation is that, "there are far more numerous intances of Jesus being described the same way as Jehovah is, yet we don't say that Jesus is Jehovah, this is just cherry picking the evidence, INCLUDING all the evidence supporting Jesus is Michael and EXCLUDING all the evidence that Jesus is Jehovah as mere coincidence or similarity."
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Not having a paradise earth in the future makes me sad - What about you?
by BonaFide inyes, i am enjoying realizing the truth about the truth.. but there is another side to it.
the world as we know it didn't seem to me to be the way that god intended it to be.
i know i was brainwashed, but it felt good believing that all the bad things would be changed.
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I guess my point was that when I am dead, what is it going to matter if I spent my life looking forward to something that may or may not happen? I will be dead and not know any different. For me, at least I have hope.
But you would've wasted your life when you could've done better things with it. I said this regarding my current charity work, if I had spent 10 hours a month my entire childhood giving to charity like I did preaching, who knows what I could've done. Even if it was just consoling a nursing home patient in her final days who didn't have anyone else.
If I do wake up from death and find myself living in a paradise earth, then I will know that all is right in the world!
There is the alternative that you're wrong though. It's hard to consider if it's drilled in your head that you're either right and you'll get a reward or you're wrong and there's simply death. There are 33,380 different denominations of just christianity alone. If they're right you could spend eternity in anguish for what you've done in life. Wouldn't it be better to stand on your own two feet instead of saying "I was hoping for a paradise because of something a magazine told me."
Actually, I'm getting too preachy.
I'm not a witness anymore and I'm an atheist, my life is more fufilling now than it ever could have been as a Witness because I believe in humanity.
For Bonafide, you need a hobby stat. Think of something you've wanted to do ever since you were a kid and start doing it. Immediately!
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Your Opinion----What's The Worst Way To Go?
by minimus inwe all fear death.
nobody in their right mind wants to die.
most people say that if they have to go, it would best to have it happen while asleep.. but, in your opinion, what's the worst?.
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Drowning for me.
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Not having a paradise earth in the future makes me sad - What about you?
by BonaFide inyes, i am enjoying realizing the truth about the truth.. but there is another side to it.
the world as we know it didn't seem to me to be the way that god intended it to be.
i know i was brainwashed, but it felt good believing that all the bad things would be changed.
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Scrapmama rock on! Commenting on other threads :)
If I may give my two cents ... sorry bad joke :)
What is wrong with having the hope of a resurrection and living forever in paradise? I have a stillborn baby boy that I hope to be able to raise under perfect conditions. What is wrong with that HOPE? It gives me something to look forward to in this life.
I suppose there's nothing wrong with it, but if it doesn't pan out then you have wasted your one GUARANTEED life waiting for a reward that never happens. That is just a complete waste.
I also look forward to spending more time with my grandparents and uncles (witnesses and NON witnesses) who have passed. Whether or not it is here on earth or in heaven does not matter much to me, really. What matters to ME is that I have something to look forward to NOW. When I die, I won't know if any of this is true or not. I will be dead. So, I would much rather die thinking that i will be resurrected with my loved ones and living forever on a paradise earth than just dying and not having anything to look forward to after.
This is what actually lead me to leave the organization. I couldn't separate serving God with serving God for the reward. When I boiled down why I was serving God it wasn't out of love but out of what I could get from the worship. If you take the paradise away, would you still worship God? If you take away the happiness he gives you from serving him, do you still serve him? Not to mention someone who is serving God solely for the reward probably won't get the reward because God sees through the ruse... whether it's a sense of accomplishment in saying "I'm serving God how he wants to be served, unlike you folks", feeling like you're in some exclusive club because only the truth was revealed to you by God, prestige in the congregation, it's all based on an internal motivation to feel good. In which case I feel that when you're serving God you're getting your reward in full in life.
I have to ask though, most people have the hope of going to heaven with their loved ones who have passed. Is their hope a fantasy too since some of you think that paradise is a fantasy?
Yes it is. Same thing, wasting the one life that you're GUARANTEED to have for something better that more than likely won't happen. Sad really when you think about it.
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Just my 2 Cents.......Go ahead and FLAME AWAY.....I won't reply
by scrapmama777 in"inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic.".
is this seriously one of the forum's rules to follow?
how can that be so when this whole forum is based on inciting hatred towards one religion.....jehovah's witnesses.......wow this is funny!
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I would say a welcome is in order then. Welcome to the forum, enjoy the threads.
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Just my 2 Cents.......Go ahead and FLAME AWAY.....I won't reply
by scrapmama777 in"inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic.".
is this seriously one of the forum's rules to follow?
how can that be so when this whole forum is based on inciting hatred towards one religion.....jehovah's witnesses.......wow this is funny!
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Yes, to the person who posted all the points about my meeting attendence and such not being what it should be, I am not a strong witness as some are, but that does not mean that I will stop putting my faith in Jehovah. Nice try! : )
No one said any of us have stopped putting their faith in Jehovah, we have however stopped putting our faith in an organization.
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Just my 2 Cents.......Go ahead and FLAME AWAY.....I won't reply
by scrapmama777 in"inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic.".
is this seriously one of the forum's rules to follow?
how can that be so when this whole forum is based on inciting hatred towards one religion.....jehovah's witnesses.......wow this is funny!
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In other words "I just wanted to come on here and insult you, then run away".
I have to say that you are all the most close minded people I have EVER run across. You say that Jehovah’s Witness are close minded, but I have never met any Witness’s that are as hateful and nasty and judgemental as you all.
You say here that you've only read a few posts, but yes we're judgemental not the person who comes on here reads a couple of posts and writes a long diatribe against us. Bear in mind many of us had been JWs for numerous years and some are still currently, that is where our Judgement comes from, yet yours comes from a few posts and you are open minded? Rather hypocritical if you ask me.
I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses and I am proud to say so. I was raised as a witness and baptized at 16, I am now 38. I am now raising my children accordingly. I have 2 siblings. One is a witness and one is not. I love them both the SAME and do NOT judge my brother for his decision to not be a witness. My in-laws are also witnesses. 3 were df’d for over 20 years. I always talked to them, they are my family. All 3 have been reinstated over the past 7 years, and while I am glad that they are, I don’t love them any MORE because of it. If it makes them happy, that is all that matters to me.
Good for you talking to disfellowshipped relatives, the majority of JWs do not.
I have very good friends who are JW’s AND I also have very good friends who are NOT. I personally never judge a person just because they are NOT a witness. Yes, I am aware that is NOT what we are taught, but we ARE taught that Jehovah is the only one who has the right to judge the heart. My friends who are non JW’s do NOT judge ME because I AM a Witness, like you all. They love me for the person that I am, not what I believe in.
This paragraph speaks wonders dear, you realize that you are taught to judge people because they are not JWs. You'll notice here that most of us constantly talk about how nice most of the JWs are, how the individual people are fantastic, however due to their teachings they are inconsiderate. It is this type of policy that we're speaking out against dear.
Unlike the elder who remains in the congregation even though he is there under false pretenses, I remain a Witness because I truly believe that one way or another, I will live forever in a paradise here on earth. That is MY hope. Does this mean that I don’t miss meetings? NO! I struggle with meetings and service. If you don’t, then you don’t have a life OR kids! LOL
Does this mean that I don’t like to drink and have a good time with my friends? Heck NO!! I have plenty of Witness friends in the congregation that love to party (yes, I am 38)too! Nothing wrong with having a good time and getting up for meeting the next morning still sick to my stomach from the 1 too many Vanilla Stoli and diets from the night before…..lol NOT that I have ever done that before….I am just saying….lolAgain most of us were witnesses at some point for long amounts of time. When we're talking about JWs not being normal, it's in the sense that when a belief is questioned they go into attack mode. Most people do not start calling people names when their beliefs are challenged, you are doing nothing but proving a point here. You do realize the things you describe as perfectly normal, the WT describes as things only of the world and to be condemned right?
I know that what I am writing will fall upon deaf ears, but I feel like I have to be the one voice that speaks up for the millions of Witnesses who are trying to live their lives as Christ did. That does not mean that there are some who are not doing it exactly as Jesus lived his life as NO ONE can do that due to imperfection. BUT MOST do live their lives in an upright way. And they SHOULD be commended for their efforts to remain moral in the wicked world that surrounds them. Most religions/faith’s strive for at least that.
Exactly most religions strive for that, what makes you so special for doing it as well?
I have only read through a couple of posts
And you've judged us based on this...why? Aren't you doing the same thing you're accusing us of?
but will defend my faith when challenged.
No you won't, you said so at the start of this post.
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am not as strong in my faith as some in the congregation. But, I go because of my love for God. I go because I do believe in a resurrection. I go because I do think that this way of life is not a bad one. It safeguards me and my family from things that are potentially harmful.
Many on this board felt the same way, have you read the expiriences of unknowingly letting a child molester babysit your child because of the disfellowshipping practices of JWs? If that happened to you, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that the JW lifestyle safeguards you from anything.
Is it a bad thing to follow bible principals? Many do, who are NOT witnesses, yet they are not called a cult or made fun of because of it.
That's because they don't exibit the principles of a cult, check out Steve Hassan's Combatting Cult Mind Control.
What about the Catholic religion? They are not supposed to have pre-marital sex, yet they all do. They are not supposed to live together before marriage, yet they do. They are not to use birth control, yet they do. I could go on and on. YET no other religion is called CRAZY for what they believe in. Just the Witnesses because they actually expect people to follow the principals set out for us in the bible. Is there a forum for x-catholics to go and bash those who still believe the Catholic faith?
Have you ever seen a Catholic go on a tirade like the one you're on here because someone questioned their faith? More than your religion is called Crazy for what they believe in, it usually goes with the devoutness of the follower and the pre-mentioned cult properties. There are numerous forums for ex-Catholics, ex-Mormons, ex-Moonies, ex-Scientologists, what do you think the JWs are unique in that regard?
You say that the Watchtower rules our lives. Well, maybe they do suggest a lifestyle for us and some follow it to the extreme, but they would be the type to do so in any faith. But the Bible clearly states that it is ultimately up to us as to whether or not we serve God.
I love this "You say the Watchtower rules our life...well maybe they do tell us how to live our lives". Yes some people do follow what their church says, but if they don't are they punished for it with shunning, etc.?
What about the Pope? Some live and die by what he says. Yet he is an imperfect man. If the Pope started to kick out those in the Catholic Faith because they were using birth control, some would leave and some would do as he said because they believe he is ordained from God, even though an imperfect man.
Oh you mean like here, some decided to stay and some decided to leave? Why is it OK for Catholics to decide not to listen to the Pope and talk about it, but for ex-JWs...no such luck?
The Morman’s follow the guidelines set forth by Joseph Smith because Jesus Christ appeared before him in 1820. Joseph Smith was also an imperfect man, yet his followers are not called a cult or at least not that I am aware of. Is there an ANTI Mormon group who has a forum that bashes those who still believe in the Mormon faith? Maybe there is, I should Google it along with one for Catholics. LOL
The Mormons are considered a cult. There are anti-Mormon websites, they practice shunning of family members just like Disfellowshipping. Many have come on websites looking for support because their family shuns them. There are anti-catholic sites too. Yes people bash both the Catholic and Mormon faith. Dear you are VERY ignorant of this subject.
We all read the same verses in the bible. Some translations of the bible are clear and to the point. I love to read bible verses from other translations and compare the point being made in the verse. I do not believe that the translation that the Witnesses use is the ONLY translation that is correct. But, I do find it easy to read. Jehovah IS God’s name. Some just choose NOT to use it. I love the fact that I know his name.
Easy to read and correct are two different things. Jehovah is not God's name, the WT website even says it. You don't know his name, you know a mistranslation.
Does it really make you feel better at the end of the day to bash someone’s faith, someone’s core belief that may be the only thing that gets them through this life and on to the next, whenever that might be? It breaks my heart to see you all so hateful towards the Witnesses as a whole. I don’t see any of you any different from the Witnesses who you say are being judgmental of you.
You know what does make me feel better at the end of the day? I had a girl who was disfellowshipped who was being kicked out of her house at the ripe old age of 15. She messaged me for nothing else but a shoulder to cry on, someone she could talk to because no one understood what was going on with her life except someone who had lived a similar life. She later told me that if it weren't for my messages she would've killed herself. That is what makes me feel better at the end of the day.
I did not write this to debate my faith. I will not respond to any comments. I only wanted to voice my opinion and to possibly open your minds to the fact that just because I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses does not mean that I am not a normal person. Yes, the Watchtower does give us advice to follow, but I am fully aware that they are imperfect men. I answer only to the 1 who matters and that is my Heavenly Father Jehovah.
But you said earlier you do debate your faith. And what will you tell God if the WT is wrong?
When will the end come? Only Jehovah knows. I do not set my hopes on any particular time and I don’t know if it will be in my lifetime or the next. But the signs are there, you don’t have to be a Witness to see it. Ask any Born Again Christain…….they believe the same. OH Is there a forum for X-Born Agains? Will have to check it out…..LOL
Yes there is a forum for ex-Born again evangelical Christians. The signs are not there, we're literally in the most peaceful time in human history.
Most people in this world answer to the God that THEY believe in. I hope that the God that you all believe in is kind when it comes to judging your hearts. Do you have nothing better to do in your lives than to put down people and their beliefs who are just trying to get by in this life?
Do you have nothing better to do than to put down people who are struggling to cope with loss of family, friends, and beliefs all because of the destructive practices of the Watchtower?
You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Go find something productive to do with your time and check your hearts……
Could we say the same thing to you when you're going door-to-door and trying to convert people from their religion to yours? Go find something productive to do with your time...
So hypocritical I don't even know where to begin.