Posts by Hamas

if you were to tell a witness that they were "brainwashed" or that they were "under mind control", they certainly would not rationally accept it.the reason is because witnesses cannot distinguish between mind control and "obeying the faithful and discreet slave".

it is only after a person stops exposing himself to the subtle mind controlling tactics of the watchtower that a person can see how thoroughly duped they are in their beliefs.

how might you be able to tell that you are no longer your own person, able to make your own decisions in your life?

Hamas

They sure are.

http://www.escapethewatchtower.com/Mind_control.htm

Take the red pill.

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OMG!!! IT"S HERE!! IT'S HERE!!!

by fairy in

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friends

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i am trying to build up my collection of engelbert humperdinck items........slowly building up!

Hamas

lol @ ozziepost

Nah, I was just a lazy bastard.

(excuse my french )

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questions about 1975 and other dates

by Leander in

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friends

my wife and i were discussing the date of 1975 earlier this week and she basically was of the opinion that the individuals who thought the end was coming in that year came up with the date based on their incorrect assesment of published information.

i replied that would it make sense for thousands of people across the continent to sell their homes and all of their valued possesions if they really had the slightest doubt that armageddon was not coming in 1975. she did'nt have an answer for that retort but still she insisted that somehow these people must have made a mistake in their judgement.

so for those of you who may have lived through the 1975 fiasco and those who have in-depth knowledge about the events that took place in that year maybe you can answer a few questions for me.. how widespread was the belief that 1975 was the year of armageddon?

Hamas

Hi

Try this.

http://www.escapethewatchtower.com/Stay_alive_till_75.htm

Peace to you, my friend !

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OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE I FINALLY MADE IT!!!

by Frannie Banannie in

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simon, it finally worked....please disregard all those desperate emails to your posted email addie..... congratulations,.

frannie b

Hamas

Chill out.

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OMG!!! IT"S HERE!! IT'S HERE!!!

by fairy in

jw
friends

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i am trying to build up my collection of engelbert humperdinck items........slowly building up!

Hamas

Hehehe

Did you know, believe it or not, I used to clean windows for Mr Humpadink himself.

He lives in a little village in Leicester, UK called Great Glen.

He's a great guy.

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Sad News...

by Xandria in

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friends

gregory hines dies of cancer at 57

sun aug 10, 3:02 pm et

add

Hamas

Indeed, today a legend was lost.

You will be missed, my friend.

Rest in peace.

www.escapethewatchtower.com

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XBox Live anyone? esp. Midtown Madness 3

by Simon in

anyone got xbox live?.

i must admit that i am well and truly addicted to midtown madness 3 .

does anyone else play it?

Hamas

Speaking of games, I just installed FIFA2003 and promptly uninstalled it when I played online and was well and truly hammered by some smug Dutch git 5-0.

I'm afraid I shall be sticking with counterstrike. Better still, give up gaming forever. Way too many headshots from the other end of the map for my liking. Also, just recently, I was asked out and declined.... simply because I wanted to play online. I got to give this up , I thought. Sad when it starts taking over your life like that.

I guess its ok when you are bored to death; but very childish. hehehe ! (geeklaugh)

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WT pays 1.55 million $

by Hamas in

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friends

from watchtower observer org

wt pays 1.55 million $.

the largest settlement ever paid in the history of jehovah's witnesses occurred this past october, but no news outlet has yet reported it.. .

Hamas

I didn't know about this.

From Watchtower Observer org

WT pays 1.55 million $ The largest settlement ever paid in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses occurred this past October, but no news outlet has yet reported it.

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which is the umbrella organization over 6 million Witnesses worldwide, paid the estate of Frances Coughlin $1.55 million dollars rather than let a jury decide the wrongful death lawsuit.

Frances Coughlin's surviving family sued Jehovah's Witnesses, also known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, in State of Connecticut Superior Court at Milford (CV-00-0072183 S).

The principle defendant was a "Bethelite," or full-time ministry worker, who drove recklessly in bad weather and killed Ms. Coughlin, a mother and grandmother, on October 8, 1998.

That Bethelite Jordon Johnson was traveling between "Bethel," which has housing for its full-time workers in Patison, New Jersey and Brooklyn, New York, to a Witness Kingdom Hall he was assigned to in Derby, Connecticut.

Johnson was found guilty of vehicular manslaughter, but only served 30 days in jail and was sentenced to two years probation. Subsequently, he and Jehovah's Witnesses faced a civil suit filed by Ms. Coughlin's surviving family for damages.

Why was the Witness organization willing to pay more than $1.5 million dollars?

Apparently because a much larger issue of "agency" was at stake.

Agency is the word used to express a relationship between a principal party and its agent, through which the principal party projects its power and/or advances some purpose. And a principal party may be held liable for the actions of its agent.

Jehovah's Witnesses contended that Jordan Johnson acted on his own and was not their agent at the time he caused the fatal car wreck.

But plaintiff's counsel, Joel Faxon of Koskoff, Koskoff & Bieder, claimed on his client's behalf that Jordan Johnson was serving as a Bethelite and agent of the organization at the time and advancing their purpose, therefore Jehovah's Witnesses was responsible for his actions.

Internal documents were obtained through the discovery process and testimony was given through depositions, which clarified and substantiated Faxon's view.

I was retained as an expert witness and consultant for this case by the plaintiff's counsel.

My role was to assist in the discovery process, provide research and generally help to form a basis for an understanding of how Jehovah's Witnesses employ, use and control Bethelites and others within their organization. Ultimately, I would have also testified as an expert in court.

That testimony would have included explaining in clear terms how the organizational dynamics, indoctrination and objectives of Jehovah's Witnesses impact individual members and more specifically full-time workers such as Bethelite Jordan Johnson.

But on the first day of trial Jehovah's Witnesses decided they didn't want a jury to decide this case and instead $1.55 million was paid to the plaintiff.

The organization that claims it is waiting for the ever-eminent "end of the world" decided to settle in a pragmatic move to protect its long-term interests and more than $1 billion dollars of accumulated assets.

Again, why would the Witnesses do this if they actually believed they had no meaningful liability?

Certainly the cost to complete the case in court would be far less than $1.55 million dollars. Why not let the jury decide?

But the seemingly shrewd Witnesses realized that there was just too much at stake and didn't want to risk a "guilty" verdict.

Currently the organization known as Jehovah's Witnesses faces a growing number of lawsuits filed by former members who feel the organization has hurt them.

The personal injuries were allegedly caused by elders and others acting in accordance with the organization's policies and doctrines, which include such matters as blood transfusions and sexual abuse.

Seemingly to protect its assets the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses and its many Kingdom Hall congregations have in recent years created a myriad of corporate entities to apparently contain liability.

That is, each corporation is seemingly only responsible for its own specific actions and not the action of others. Again, this appears to be a rather pragmatic legal approach to protect the assets amassed by Jehovah's Witnesses over more than a century.

But what if Jehovah's Witnesses are nevertheless responsible or liable for the actions of its agents, which would include elders and others throughout its vast network of districts and Kingdom Halls?

Well, now you can see why the check was likely cut for $1.55 million in the Coughlin case.

Jehovah's Witnesses were apparently concerned about what legal precedent a jury might set that could ultimately affect other claims pending or potentially possible in the future against the organization.

Many people seem to think that Jehovah's Witnesses or the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is focused on the end of the world and a coming kingdom. At least that's the impression many have when its members come knocking at the door.

But through the Coughlin case a different view of the organization emerges, which looks more like a business protecting its worldly assets and focused on the bottom line.