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Losing Faith in Faith..

by Dis-Member in

i came across this lecture at 3am not being able to sleep by dan baker.

it details his transition from christian fundamentalist to atheist and the various shades in-between.

he realises that every denomination of christian can open the bible and prove to you that they have the right interpretation and everyone else is wrong.

Dis-Member

First, I would like to make it clear that YOU asked me personally to come back to this website and post my comments. YOU are the one that came to me about Jesus. If you do not like my comments, then so be it. Stop asking me for help if you don't want to listen to what I have to say or examine all viewpoints.

That I'm afraid is a blatant lie.

If I recall correctly I said to read my comments in this thread as it may help you understand what I was thinking. Nothing more.
In fact here are my exact words to you:

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"Here are my feelings on faith. Please have a read on this thread I started and my comments through it. It shows where I am at and what I think and feel on all of this.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/281946/1/Losing-Faith-in-Faith

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Nowhere did I ask you to comment on my post. You just invented that part all by yourself. Who really is the liar here?

And why did you even want my opinion anyway? You have older topics that suggest you already chose atheism.

Topics? No it's just one topic. And I have not chosen atheism at all like it's something to be chosen. It seems to me like a place people just arrive at.My questions and statements are often rhetorical which anyone reading what I say can clearly see. I don't usually make statememts, I tend to ask questions. I like to examine all viewpoints, know others thoughts and opinions and experiences as that is how we all learn no? Or have you forgotten this?:

Proverbs 27:17 New International Version (NIV) 17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.

For someone who likes to quote the Bible at people you seem to have forgotten large parts of it.

First you call me an atheist... and a few moments later a semi-atheist.. and now 'nothing more than a liar.' Wow..

All I am is a sincere person who has genuine and valid doubts and is looking for answers. I thought that you might have some. It seems all you have is ignorance, prejudice, blindness, ego, insults and your sweeping misguided judgements of everyone you communicate with. You seem to think you are ordained by some higher power and that if you simply throw irrelevent random scriptures at people that they will somehow just follow you so you can feel all good and warm about yourself.

You seem to be just a witness whose gone off the rails..

"The Watchtower is right about it being near the end."

They have been saying that for 130 years now..

At one point I did see you speaking about your apparent relationship with Jesus and I was curious for you to explain to me how that worked and if it was genuine. It's become apparent that you are just as lost and confused as anyone else and fumbing in the dark.

I apologise for thinking different. I meant you no harm.

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Delete Personal Messages

by Maranatha in

i've never been on a website that doesn't allow you to delete your own personal messages.

why can we not do that on this site?

what are your motives in keeping our personal messages?

Dis-Member

If you believe that when you "don't see" a PM (or email) you have deleted that it means it's actually deleted and gone for good then you maybe naive about how computer systems typically operate. Most systems use what is called 'soft delete' which means they are filtered out but still very much there and they have to be to manage a site properly.

I am very well aware that rarely anything is truely deleted Simon from forums (and it's not how computer systems operate as if they had a mind of their own.. it's more how computer systems operators operate and it does not make it right) I certainly understand you as the Admin of this forum keeping a backup of everything, I understand your point too regarding people behaving badly with abusing the messaging system. But does that not seem also like a little NSA & Big Brother-ish? Because a minority have misbehaved now every single person that ever sends any message any time for ever will have it saved and recorded for ever. Seems like a case of everyone losing freedoms and rights to their own info because of a few bad apples.

That certainly is not correct.

Short film explores the infinite options and consequences in our lives..

by Dis-Member in

this short film from paul trillo takes a look at the infinite options that fill our daily lives and how the consequences of our actions can transform the multiple paths that we can take, combining over a lifetime to define us as people.

some choices we think we can affect, others seem too small to contemplate.. a look at the infinite possibilities within the everyday.

following a day in the life of vincent, "subject x" and his many variations that exist throughout the universe.

Dis-Member

This short film from Paul Trillo takes a look at the infinite options that fill our daily lives and how the consequences of our actions can transform the multiple paths that we can take, combining over a lifetime to define us as people. Some choices we think we can affect, others seem too small to contemplate.

A look at the infinite possibilities within the everyday. Following a day in the life of Vincent, "Subject X" and his many variations that exist throughout the universe. The story begins to fracture into different threads when he follows a would be lover down the street.

http://vimeo.com/101882592

So.. our lives can change complete direction at any moment we choose.. we just need to step outside and make it happen.

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If the bible is "a letter from God", why is it that only the GB can interpret it?

by stuckinarut2 in

we know that witnesses often use the illustration "the bible is like a letter from god.

a letter from a loving father to all his children etc".

so in this letter he says "he desires none to be destroyed, but all to survive etc".

Dis-Member

They can't. Have they not been getting it wrong for 130 years already? Things are not about to change. A false prophet does not suddenly become a true one over night. They usually get taken outside the city gates and are stoned.

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I wonder how many feel like this

by watson in

jw
friends

http://www.afropunk.com/video/the-what-s-underneath-project-kelsey-lu-mcjunkins.

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Dis-Member

I wonder if it's actually a love of music. It goes a bit deeper than that. It may just be a love of true freedom. And music was the thing that gave her that freedom.

My friends used to think and say I was obsessed about my motorbike.. and also my guitar... and then my camera. They were wrong. I actually did not care about any of these things.. what I cared about was the sense of freedom to be and express myself each one gave me.

.. but I can never love any of these things more than I loved my mother. I have lost many cameras, a few bikes, and a whole bunch of guitars. No problem, all replacable.

But when I lost my mother, I nearly died. For me there is no comparison. (but then my mother was never a witness, maybe that fact is not insignificant)

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should there be a rule against posting PMs ?

by MissFit in

most people feel that it is unethical to post private messages.. how ever there does not seem to be a posting rule against it.. some people unfamiliar with posting on boards may not realize that it is not done to post private messages .

( even though it would seem self evident with the word private in it.).

so what do you think about making it an official posting rule?.

Dis-Member

What would be nice is to have the option to block people either from them PM'ing you or if you just don't want to see their posts or have any interaction what so ever. Like you can do on Facebook.

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Watchtower Tells Us "Employers Seek JWs Only" Yet Most JW Employers Avoid Hiring JWs, Why?

by BucketShopBill in

here's a thought: we're told over and over how employers sing the praises of their jw employees, sometimes with a vague quote about how 'if we could only hire jws, we would as they are so honest'.

however, while some jw employers themselves may hire jw employees (usually cheap entry level positions), most don't.

in fact, many jw's in general who have businesses have a rule not to do work with jws, even those in their congregation.

Dis-Member

I have worked a lot with witnesses. When I was 18 I was heavily exploited by a witness building firm.. doing seriously hard manual labour that started at 4am and finished often after dark around 6pm for 6 days a week. For this slave labour I was paid a measly £35 a week. Then I would turn up at meetings covered in building dust and dirt and be looked down on for falling asleep during the ministry school and for not wearing a shirt and tie.

They can be very precious about their work. They have the idea that everything they do and say and touch and think is Holy.. so even if they are scrubbing your floors they think that their labour is sanctified.. and they expect you to think the same.

Yes some people like to employ witnesses but usually only for very low, unskilled entry level menial work.

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I wonder how many feel like this

by watson in

jw
friends

http://www.afropunk.com/video/the-what-s-underneath-project-kelsey-lu-mcjunkins.

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Dis-Member

I loved this... what a beautiful girl, so happy for her. Free and joyful, music will do that to you. Very few things can liberate you like being a musician.

Her singing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-xqvws1OAU

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GB member Anthony Morris mentions concerned JW letter at RC

by Acluetofindtheuser in

gb member anthony morris mentioned a letter that was sent to bethel by a concerned jw fearing the gt.

he mentioned it on the last sunday talk.

i always wondered if any letter sent to bethel ever reached gb eyes.

Dis-Member

Anthony said that was crazy because the person writing in doesn't have faith in God's providing power.

Why did not a single person put their hand up and ask why then are the governing body asking for endless cash donations from every single congregation and org member on earth??

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Losing Faith in Faith..

by Dis-Member in

i came across this lecture at 3am not being able to sleep by dan baker.

it details his transition from christian fundamentalist to atheist and the various shades in-between.

he realises that every denomination of christian can open the bible and prove to you that they have the right interpretation and everyone else is wrong.

Dis-Member

@Marantha..

I did not ask or invite you into this forum. You were here well before I knew you existed. I just saw a post you commented on and decided to ask you how you personally managed to find God and Jesus and have a personal relationship with both. That's all. I have been very respectful all teh time. It was not a date so no need to be angry or offended. I have always thanked you for your time and comments but it's just a conversation and not a debt. Don't take it so personally. I don't even know you.

I'm sorry also but you were not able to answer any question satisfactorily but now instead just blame and shoot me down for not having faith in your words. For words is all that they are.

You then tell me if I don't believe your words.. or words that you quote that I will be burned in a fiery hell for all eternity. The same hell that you never believed in as a witness and now as a non witness you do believe in again. Hop scotch anyone?

Forgive me for not being able to equate a God of love with the god you now describe who burns people in unquenchable fire for ever if they fail through little fault of their own to love him. The Bible from my understanding does not even teach such a thing.

Creating a place called hell to torture people merely for being imperfect is not a very loving thing to do which ever way you try to bend it.

May I ask you since leaving the witnesses.. have you joined another church or denomination? Care to name it? Or are you doing this all by yourself and using all your own interpretations?