I remember being told "every eye did 'see' him, they just didn't understand what they were seeing"
You see?
i just finished reading the articles that tell us that the last 100 years of turmoil are supposed to be proof that jesus is on the throne.
i have always been confused about this, especially when i compare it to what the bible says about his return.
matthew 24:27 says, "for just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the son of man will be.".
I remember being told "every eye did 'see' him, they just didn't understand what they were seeing"
You see?
this was a famous case here in the uk, based around the experiences of matt barrie (aka hobo ken).
we've uploaded the audio recording of his judicial committee meeting with the glasgow bishopbriggs congregation elders and you can listen/download the (long) unedited file here:.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1pajlf7duc5zgh/matt%20judicial%20raw.mp3.
Cheers for this, I'm listening uncomfortably right now.
About 1 hour 8 mins in... It sounds to me as if the "two brothers" who heard Matt's parents admit he spoke to them about some things were likely also on a SV at the time.
He handles them lovely.
I had to laugh when one of the elders tries to bluster that going on holiday with someone who's DF could also come under apostasy... Twats.
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okay, try this on and see if it fits.. the angels saw the daughters of men and came down and had sexual relations producing offspring.. flapdoodle:.
angels are spirits, right?.
how is it these spirits have the power of creation?.
Poppycock... Or as Dave Gorman says "cock of the poppiest kind".
I always wondered, if the angels could "materialize" bodies for some hanky panky, and christ could do the same to trick his followers into believing his body was the same one he had before he died... Why the need to separate the two hopes at all? They could even keep their 144.000 idiots in charge.
They could just have everyone on earth or in heaven depending on their fancy that day.
"Feel like being human again for a while? Materialize away!"
Flapdoodle indeed.
i am not sure how you all feel as we all left at different times for different reasons.... but this new bible seems to have put some final nails into a coffin that was once my jw life.
the religion is so far and so different to the religion i grew up in that it has become something i feel no affiliation with anymore, no bond, no shared ideas or even sentimental views.
different teachings on when the end is coming.
Still trying to find the words that scream "I agree" in the strongest way possible.
something that used to bother me back when i cared what was written in the bible (nobody's perfect) was the glaring difference between what jesus is supposed to have said in luke 11 -- which of you if your son asks for a fish will give him a serpent, or an egg give him a scorpion.... and numbers 11 where israel cries out for meat (ungratefully or not) and jehovah sends them meat... and promptly kills them before the first munch is munched, for trying to eat what he provided when asked to.. .
to me the sneakiest machination of god here (satan learned from the master i guess) is that the only other time he sent them quail was the night before he sent them manna for the first time... give the people a taste for lovely roast quail sammiches on skybread panini, wait until they run out of sammich filler and then pow!!.
"trap sprung suckers.
Julia: bloody good point. The quail were apparently about 2 foot deep around the entire camp for a day's walk in any direction... That's a lotta flaimin' quail.
tornapart: If they "wanted meat" and then they "got it", how did they not understand what they were asking for? And the bible says that before they could even eat any they were struck down by jehovah, so food poisoning days later is out of the question here. Also, I credit a people fit to survive in the desert with better sense than to eat rotten meat... Even if I believed that tonnes of dead quail could float quite that well.
The account makes no sense. Unless god is a petty, meanspirited toerag... When one of the kids I know is being an ungreatful brat and asking for something they don't need - I deny them what was asked for, I don't poison it and then hand it over with a loving smile.
it is painful to read.
check out the 1/15/14 wt.
i am going to throw an invisible party to celebrate.
Skinnedsheep: I noticed that too... in the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs and in the "can you answer" at the start. Jehovah's King too now it seems, few more and we'll have ourselves a Game of Thrones. Woohoo!
my favorite compliment of the day.
what a lot of assumptions people have about what makes an atheist tick..
Best underhanded remark I ever had from a jdub was "but you seem so intelligent".
Gotta love it.
something that used to bother me back when i cared what was written in the bible (nobody's perfect) was the glaring difference between what jesus is supposed to have said in luke 11 -- which of you if your son asks for a fish will give him a serpent, or an egg give him a scorpion.... and numbers 11 where israel cries out for meat (ungratefully or not) and jehovah sends them meat... and promptly kills them before the first munch is munched, for trying to eat what he provided when asked to.. .
to me the sneakiest machination of god here (satan learned from the master i guess) is that the only other time he sent them quail was the night before he sent them manna for the first time... give the people a taste for lovely roast quail sammiches on skybread panini, wait until they run out of sammich filler and then pow!!.
"trap sprung suckers.
Something that used to bother me back when I cared what was written in the bible (nobody's perfect) was the glaring difference between what jesus is supposed to have said in Luke 11 -- Which of you if your son asks for a fish will give him a serpent, or an egg give him a scorpion...
And Numbers 11 where Israel cries out for meat (ungratefully or not) and jehovah sends them meat... And promptly kills them before the first munch is munched, for trying to eat what he provided when asked to.
To me the sneakiest machination of god here (satan learned from the master I guess) is that the only other time he sent them quail was the night before he sent them manna for the first time... Give the people a taste for lovely roast quail sammiches on skybread panini, wait until they run out of sammich filler and then POW!!
"Trap sprung suckers. Choke on my almighty caprice and pray for the days when I won't answer prayers any more!"
i'm proud to say i'm an apsostate.. .
anyone else up front about it?.
I got my hand up, and one of the fingers on it too.
If apostate is the label I'll wear it, sounds cooler than "opposed" anyways.