i got this lovely email the other day... .
dear carrie, .
last month, president bush wrote you asking if you would support his reelection.
http://www.governmentguide.com/consumer_services/stoptelemarketers.adp
Bush's mighty leave me the "F" alone anti-telemarket program.
BTW Az- the link did not take me anywhere. Are you sure someone is not pulling your leg? If you have a link that works let me know. Maybe I'll make my tithe. (Right after hell freezes over)
Edit to add-I did a cut & paste of the link. It's real.
i got this lovely email the other day... .
dear carrie, .
last month, president bush wrote you asking if you would support his reelection.
I wonder if you can sign up on the Do-Not-Call website that Bush launched to keep Dick Cheney from sending you spam?
Sweet, do it!
tv programs i have to immediately turn off include:.
i'm a celebrity get me out a here...(yeah, get em outta here fer crying).. oprah winfrey/ricki lake...omgaawd, oprah thinks she's "a god" or something and so does her audience.. neighbors/eastenders/corra st/ all of em come to think of it.. what grates your teeth?
or do you enjoy any of these ones?.
I refer to all TV as "The oracle." It is all about trying to tell you what to think, what to like, and what to buy. F-ck em. Mute all advertisments. Do the opposite of all talk/opinion shows suggestions, all the girly girls don't give up the booty when rap songs are played and don't believe the outdoor channels when they make catching that big bass or 16 point buck look like it's all wrapped up in 30-60 minutes.
What bugs me? All of it. The only truth is in Sienfeld. People really are that shallow.
government lawyers trying to keep the norfolk farmer tony martin behind bars will tell a high court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders.
the case could help hundreds of criminals bring claims for damages for injury suffered while committing offences.
in legal papers seen by the independent, home office lawyers dispute mr martin's contention that he poses no risk to the public because he only represents a threat to burglars and other criminals who trespass on his property.
Government lawyers trying to keep the Norfolk farmer Tony Martin behind bars will tell a High Court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders. The case could help hundreds of criminals bring claims for damages for injury suffered while committing offences. In legal papers seen by The Independent, Home Office lawyers dispute Mr Martin's contention that he poses no risk to the public because he only represents a threat to burglars and other criminals who trespass on his property. They say: "The suggestion ... that the Parole Board was not required to assess the risk posed by Mr Martin to future burglars or intruders (on the grounds that they do not form part of the public at large) is remarkable." "It cannot possibly be suggested that members of the public cease to be so whilst committing criminal offences, and whilst society naturally condemns, and punishes such persons judicially, it can not possibly condone their (unlawful) murder or injury."
http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/uk18.htm
God knows that criminals have a right to work too...If only the State in the UK had a better welfare system and of course mightnight basketball then the homeowners could be away from home while all their property was being stolen.
my dad is a jw, trying to reach out to be an elder again......also pioneering.
i saw my cousin , his nephew , the other nite at the dance club......i told him i havent seen my dad, nor heard from him in almost 2 years.
he said he saw him a while back but that he heard he moved.. last time i talked to my dad, it was over me not going to the circuit assembly he was trying to get me to go to.
Sorry LyinEyes,
I'm sure you know that you are not alone. My experince with my JW inlaws is that they are nerotic over those that they can't control. And, they have no control of self at all. Given the choice of the shunning or having them back in my life trying to posion my marriage and turn my children against their mother (Their fear is that I/we will teach the children that it [shunning] is something is wrongDO YA THINK?) I chose to let them be. I would rather include my life with people that love me despite my huge faults than those who want to mold me into an image that pleases their "golden calf."
xx&oo's
Jayson
at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.
he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.
the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?
If you do not understand this basic fact of economics I am wasting my time. Not because it's not important but because you perhaps haven't had much experience in ecomonics in reality.
well i am always interested to learn new things so please enlighten me! (what kind of business degree do you have?)
Realist as I said the economics of reality, it's something that unless you create a successful business out of your own sacrafice, beat the odds, and the massive unfair taxes of self employed people (It's not so easy to write off that SUV in reality.) Then that someday somes where you could actually take some time off, or hire some help. But high minimum wages, add a benifits package, vacation time, and all the other perks that the "working poor" want. See what it would cost in a high income wage state like Wa. How much would job creation cost? The real world is not college. The real world is when you do it. If you understood that minimum wage is suposed to be an introductory wage not a wage to live on then this would be easy. If you understood that taxes do not promote growth it slows it, sometimes kills it when they are too high.. But you promote the same boring anti-west anti-capitalist, anti-americanism sillyness that has caused so much frustration on jwd. I admit that I am the other side Realist. I caused frustration here too, I understand that. Saying that America (As the current Pres is not the only one to offer the aide to Africa and been turned down) doesn't care about the suffering in Africa, well, the offer of aide is there. It's their choice if they choose not to accept it. You also are in favor of arming the likes of Iraq with wmd, "they have the right to them," as I saw on the wmd thread simon started - Realist I don't want to talk to you anymore. I thought about just PMing this to you, but this, all of it, has gone on long enough. I think you represent the side of humaity and the jwd'ers that I stand against pretty clearly. So, thanks for the debate. Hopefully I will learn to walk away from a disucssion like these ones much sooner in the future.
http://www.thenewtnn.com/
who the hell is shelton jackson lee?.
http://www.uwire.com/content/topops062403001.html
who the hell is Shelton Jackson Lee? And why does he think he is a TV channel?Stupid liberal Yorker courts.
now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
i love how bush is, when convenient, painted as a complete dunce with half a brain.....but when its convenient, he surely couldnt have been dumb enough to think those reports were credible. which is it? is he a mastermind that pulled the wool over everyones eyes? or is he the idiot that didnt think about the criticism that would no doubt follow after the u.s. failed to find what he knew full well wasnt there? you cant have it both ways.
Bush is the evil twin brother of Forest Gump.
at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.
he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.
the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?
Good morning Realist. I trust the day finds you well.
As I said with those who support the "third way" of socialism also called the chaos theroy/or neo-marxists simply have it wrong. They always have. Socialism will always fail. There can't be a bridge where Socialism leads and capitalism is secondary. However, a Capitalistic system with a welfare state works quite well; So long as the welfare state is kept in check. You should never check the right of indviduals or business to spur new capital. Not lasie-faire capitalism as the US exports to other regions but capitalism as is practiced inside the US. I've recomended "World on Fire" before to cover this area. The idea that the State is more efficent than the private sector is, well, not true. But there will always be managerialists who fight for the right to have power. (I hate bureucrates)
The rift is vast between those who support the EU ideology and those who laugh at it. I believe it (The dream of a untied europe) will fail in my lifetime. You don't. (I assume) We will see in time. (Unless you see the future in a cereal bowl. I don't)
Mr. Gates believes that a super tax upon the rich of WS will lead it out of a resession. Most economists disagree with that concept. (As I understand it) Supporting an increase in sales tax, incorperating an income tax, and increasing cooperate & business taxes probably won't help. But, it is sure to hurt. Why do so many millionares and some (gates) billionaries settle in WS? Mr. Gates is quite concerned with the poor yes. But his ideals settle better in Europe than here.
i fail to see how high minimum wages would be directly linked to a budget deficit.
If you do not understand this basic fact of economics I am wasting my time. Not because it's not important but because you perhaps haven't had much experience in ecomonics in reality.
to give immigrants a house seems indeed extraordinarily generous.
Oh no no you misunderstand not true houses. No, they, the State, for millions and millions provide glorified tents for temporary housing. State run programing at it's best. And they cover less than 10% of migrant/immigrant workers during the peak of seasons. And I agree, they need to change their policy.
if there are not enough jobs available the only possible conclusion is to not allow them to enter the state.
Isolationism, it's an option. But illegal immigration is still a huge problem. And to just exclude the poor doesn't that fly in the face of Socialism? It flies in the face of America. We need to change our immigration laws. My opinion is to reward legal immgration and punish illegal aliens. A sociologiest once asked me why Cuban's get instant immigration status when Mexicans don't. It was an intresting debate.
you mean the US should go back to this habit? what would that mean to the already poorly developed democratic system? Go back.
Ha like 2/3rds of congress will ever agree on something that would give away so much state ( & special interests) power. We are a Republic not a democracy. Any sane person does not want to live in a democracy any more than a dictatorship. And yes liberals do want to live in a democracy and despise the Republic. I think that Ann Coulter my have a point about them.
the US has the lowest social security and international aid spendings in the western world. on the other hand the highest defense budget and one of the highest costs on prisions. that money could be put to better use.
As I said the 'western world' meaning the EU standards can't be maintained. Immigration to boost numbers and offset the retiring babyboomers might help in the EU. But, hatred of immigrants will put need of workers and bigotry/fear of loss of culture at odds. I don't think that the US 'meger' welfare' system can continue without reform either.
Yes defense, guns, war machines, bombs, some 250 billion. Prisions lock'em up. Big money in both. We don't go far enough; Minus the death penalty, I'm with you there. But, probably not for the same reasons. I'm all for killing the bad guys. But state executions are to expensive. Thugs are not worth a million dollars a peice to fry em. A bullet costs about 14 cents. Capital Punishment is to expensive. And it is big money to put on a Capital punishment crime case. If it were really about public deterence they would make executions public. Also, if you were to remove robbery where homicide results from the crime meaning that executions were not an option avalable to the State a lot of problems would be solved. Life in prison, yes. Save execution for the worst of the worst and that's all.
So how much is enough?
enough so that they can live a very simple life. they should be able to afford a small apartment in a cheap area and have enough money for food. Every immigrant into America should recieve a check for?
So anyone who does not make say $40,000 a year should just state how much they made and request a check from the state for the difference? The US gives away food both domesticly and abroad. Oh wait, never mind, you talked about that on another thread.
do not prevent crimes. security, education and equal chances prevent crimes. the higher the living standard the lower the crime rate. It's why I support self defense laws.
self defense laws are absolutely ok. europe is too restrictive in that case imo. In the US crime and criminals are treated to gently.
This flies in the face of white collar crime. Greed is the modivation for crime. Stealing a loaf of bread because you are starving is not what we are talking about. In the US we have a culture where if your friend had a gun he carried illegally would most Americans tell the police? No, it seems they don't. But I not only would, I did. And I would again. All people do not have the rights to even posses a gun much less carry it on them. You have to register youself with the FBI including fingerprinting that is kept on file with the government forever. Also gangs should be treated just like the mob. That is what they are "organized crime." They should be treated as such. So many gun related homicide deaths are gang related.
Thanks for understanding my point on europe and self defense restriction. Personally, I think it clouds the minds of the citizens. Europe is to passive. But that was the goal. In the US we do not hold people responsible for themselves. There is no talk about responsibility to each other or the State. We also do not challenge ourselves enough. (Meaning education.) We need to walk the walk and stop being such slackers. jmo
I think that duty and honor are become back in style. Patriotism and true responsibility are no longer things that liberal minds can use to put people down. That means that liberal ideals of socialism will get the toliet and individualism will come about again. This will not sit well with the desire of a UN with a world tax (meaning taxing Americans to redistribute to nations favored by the UN) with a standing army (Funded and supplied by the US) and a world court (To be used to create endless grandstanding against the US and her allies by dictator nations).
I read an article "End open enrollment into the UN." It was in a chopper magazine of all places. But it was the best I've read yet. If I find in online I'll PM it to you.
at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.
he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.
the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?
hmmm i would have to disagree. in 90% of the issues americans and europeans share an opinion. there are certain issues where we disagree but there is more that connects than what devides us.
I hope you are right realist. I really do.
imo the US would be wise to increase basic rights for the average worker. it would diminish many of the prevalent probelms in the US like crime rate, poverty, working poor etc.
Washington state has some of the highest minimum wage rates in the nation along with a progressive welfare medicade system. It is in the hole just like the rest in fact it is worse off than most. It will have a hard time recovering to what it was. It has spent millions on immigrant housing with little to show for it. Giving away money does not promote making more. And money must be made to be taxed to give away. Did you know that less than 100 years ago Senators were appointed and not elected in America? Think of the lower panhandling by Congress if 1/2 of it didn't have to do it to maintain office.
The US gives so much. Domesticly and Internationaly
http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/map.html
But in the words of Christ. They [the poor] will always be with us. So how much is enough? Every immigrant into America should recieve a check for? The key to crime is punishment. It's why I support self defense laws. In the US crime and criminals are treated to gently. Criminals in gangs should be treated like the mob. As a society we treat criminals in our social group and family with the "not my kid" mentality. We need to grow up. In Japan a crime reflects on the family not just the individual. We need some of that kind of responsibility.
I know some army brats in service that go online and make up the most bogus stances to watch people sqirm. I can't help but wonder how many jwd'ers make up arguments just to watch people try and reason with something & them that in reality they could not care less about.
