Simon says on 5/12
Jayson. You really summed it up when you say "[we] are not real concerned with WMD being found"
Simon ignores where Jayson said this on 4/24
As you say that I (speaking as probushusa) consider WoMD are of no consequnce? I wonder how you can think that? Of course they are! Maybe more now than before. I keep prostituting in goes to great lengths about how Saddam is probably no likely to give his prize to Terror organizations because he can't be sure if they will use them as he wanted them used. So now finding them my be more important than before. Because a desperate Iraqi most wanted might do anything to get the hell out of there. You are right! And, I as well as any rational thinking person want the WMD found! I believe they do exist and always have. They need to be found; They must be found. Not because of petty politics and who is right and who is wrong, but because these are very bad things.
Also on 4/24 Jayson said
I'm just glad Saddam's murderous regime is dead. If Bush gets his WMD validation good for my team; if not and he looses in 2004 then I am still glad that this was done. May it help to end the suffering in Iraq. If relations with the world and the US is damaged beyond repair forever but, 5,000 children in Iraq don't have to die every month anymore I can live with that.
Jayson also said 4/24
And yes Simon's question is a fair one
Jayson also posted
I am still confused as to why soldiers are expected to find the existing WMD or their distruction. That is not their job. There is also massive evidence all though be it circumstantial that the weapons do or did exist. Why are some so eager to see the American and British coalition fail? Really how could the UN have done anything better? Better yet why didn't it?
On 4/25 Jayson said
Answer: Simon I don't know where they are. I have little faith that if I go to Iraq I can find them myself and bring you to them. So the answer is I do not know. You said that you are angry over the ever changing reasons for US reasons for invasion. The reason never changed the need for "regime change" was in play. The UN/Euro pact did not want this because a lot of money was being made just the was; And the US was too. I am angry that the UN made more than one BILLION dollars off the backs of starving Iraqis! Why aren't you?
The US is part of the Security Council in the UN but only one part. My point in this is Moore and his non educated ilk say that UN santions are US santions. This is a lie. And the lack of observing santions made them futile. The UN failed. Which was a direct result of this situation. It does not dismiss the dangers preemptive invasion. But it is part of the explanation. I also asked how bringing Iraqi oil into the frey help Bush and his push for ANWR? You ignored this. Why?
I started to get quite disgusted with your comments
We were told that they had WoMD as a certaintly because they knew exactly where they were. Remember all the satellite photo's of the bakery oops "weapons factory"?
We were told there were hundreds or thousands of tons of chemical weapons, not some little petri-dish somewhere
It was all fabricated lies as came out from the faked nuclear documents and re-hashed docs they had downloaded and edited off the internet
I believe they knew for a fact that there were not WoMD there ... they just wanted an 'excuse' for their war. They did everything they could to scupper inspections and hurry things along when Iraq was cooperating (destroying missiles for instance)
You totally sympathize with Saddams Iraq. They are complying with the UN according to you, they are santioned by the US as you say when it is the UN that is that entity according to you. You said that Iraq only fired on US/UK planes in the "No Fly Zones" to defend themselves from Western aggression (Bombing) You ingnore what those Iraqis who only are defending themselves would do to the Kurds if we were not there. You said they are justified in trying to kill the soldiers that protect your rights. Rights that no Iraqi citizen has. You ignore 12 years of horror and bloodshed no 100's of years of it. You have no solution but the same program that was not working inside the UN. Which any suffering was the exclusive fault of the US.
When dubla pointed out what Powell really said [FACT: said installations were reported moved and bulldozed by powell......these are from your second link (bold, italic mine):] and not what you wanted to hear you dismissed it. Flat out you said so what I like my take better.
I commented that :The UN inspectors said they needed six months to a year to clear Iraq. In fact Blix said it will take as long as it takes. But in the mean time things keep getting worse and worse. There is a window for war. If that happens than I want as few people on my side to die as possible. You don't care about the UK troops over there. Fine it disgustes me but that is your right. I do care and if that means doing what was done then the leaders have my full support to remove Saddam. He is scum.
I also said "A bigger issue is the new challege of justifying a preemptive war; when is it just to attack on the premise of what someone might do? I think that Iraq is a case that can be shown to be an anomaly." This is aside from WMD. A whole new chapter of American foriegn policy has unfolded.
When you say:
Jayson. You really summed it up when you say "[we] are not real concerned with WMD being found"
I was refering to the weeks into the war that we are in Simon. And I think you know that. I was not saying that the WMD's are now irrelevant as you keep saying. I am saying that it will take some time and judgment can wait.
Fox is facist reporting? But your intent is that I only listen to Fox.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/107/oped/Trading_truth_for_access_+.shtml
http://www.dep.org.uk/globalexpress/7/page1.htm
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/021003_BBC_robotic.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,924172,00.html
You talk of Fox being Facist. Well they are far from the bulk of my avenues of formation. You put it out there to try and make people think that someone like me gets all my information from that source. That is not true. "The Threating Storm" makes a bulk of my attitude on Iraq and Saddam and that is why I keep asking you to read it. Unlike Reborn's comment I am willing to share my sources. I am not blindly loyal to Bushes stances. But you Simon are polerized against.
This is it for me. No more on this issue. People are going to have to decide for themselves if I am brainwashed by my government and if you are fair minded and open to ALL the facts over this issue. I have grown tired and board of it.
Reborn my comments that you claim I blabber over is not that I think everyone here is stupid. On this thread and others I have recommended the book "The Threating Storm." Is has so many facts in it about all the countries involved in this issue. But all the recomendations for reading something worth while are just ignored in place of the reteric and goes on. And I did not see where I called you a lap dog. If I did then I am sorry.
