Posts by Jayson

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So, what REALLY happened on September 11, a.k.a. the unknowns...???

by reporter in

it's getting on to almost two years since the events of september 11, and it is striking how little we know about what happened: .

we don't know the real names of any of the hijackers.. we don't know what countries they came from.. we don't know who planned and organized the terrorism.. we don't know who financed it.. we have no idea what actually happened at the pentagon (but i know a boeing 757 didn't go through this hole).

normal video tapes of and from the pentagon building, which should have shown what happened, have never been released (except for one, which poses more questions than it answers).

Jayson

Well, you have your opinions, I have mine.
At least I have the common decency to respect your opinion.

See now that's exactly what I need to work on.

Hamas question,

Are some opinions not respectable? And if so are we still required to respect them? I'm trying to make a difference between the opinion and the person. Simon made some good comments on this awhile back.

Abaddon, let's face it, if I commented about the blue sky you would go off one me on how that is a straw man argument, you's rip me a new one on how the sky is not always blue. You would demand sources ignoring something like http://www.why-is-the-sky-blue.org/why-is-the-sky-blue.html which would have already been put up by me. You do make the difference between opinion and person Abaddon, and then insult both. Like I said to Hamas, I don't want to do that anymore.

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How do you leave the JW's ??? Let's help those trying to !!!!!!!

by run dont walk in

jw
friends

what is the best way to leave the jw religion ?????.

give your experience or maybe some ideas you came up with after you left, on the best ways of getting out.. how to cope with family pressure ???

(by far the hardest issue when leaving).

Jayson

I felt that desire to help everyone, save everyone, when my wife finally broke out of the shell. She never did. To her all JW's are dead. If they fell off the face of the earth, even her family, she couldn't care less. I was angry, angry over the lies and the backbiting, the trying to ruin our life. Of course it's not all them. After a year I see that now. It's me too. I have a lot of the same personality traits that are crappy. I decided to work on my own flaws and that will probably take the rest of my life. So, before anyone goes out and tries to save the world make sure you can keep your pride in check, make sure that you can overcome the hate that you have, and hate because of betrayal they will instill in you. It is so easy to become obsessive over them. They aren't worth it. When a JW newbie or oldie comes to JWD try to be understanding when they have a major "tude." It's not easy. The "world" doesn't want to be saved.

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So, what REALLY happened on September 11, a.k.a. the unknowns...???

by reporter in

it's getting on to almost two years since the events of september 11, and it is striking how little we know about what happened: .

we don't know the real names of any of the hijackers.. we don't know what countries they came from.. we don't know who planned and organized the terrorism.. we don't know who financed it.. we have no idea what actually happened at the pentagon (but i know a boeing 757 didn't go through this hole).

normal video tapes of and from the pentagon building, which should have shown what happened, have never been released (except for one, which poses more questions than it answers).

Jayson

abbadon oh um I agree with your post. But that you think these people give a crap that you do research oh um never mind.

Just pray to your god that one day I will decide to stop posting here and take my ignoramous ass somewhere else.

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Witnesses NOT a Cult.

by integ in

jw
friends

it has been mentioned on this board many times that the jehovahs' witnesses are a cult.. this connotation may not ring true with witnesses.

i have mentioned to certain ones that.

the witnesses fit the "definition" of a cult.

Jayson

The problem with accepting that any JW is part of a dangerous sect, or a cult is the same problem with them thinking it is impossible for them to be under mind control. The definition of "cult" like "brainwashing" and "mind control" use the most barbaric examples of what these tactics look like. Everyone being dead, and the compound looking like a concentration camp, or a prision physically is the only type of "cult" that exists to them. The physical freedom is all they can comprehend because they are not in control of their critical thinking skills I.E. Their minds. When you talk about a prison of the mind and not the body the argument becomes, then all institutions are "cults." Who is better than Who. And around we go.

The thing is (and I asked witnesses when they used to harrass me) "If you were under mind control how would you know?"

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So, what REALLY happened on September 11, a.k.a. the unknowns...???

by reporter in

it's getting on to almost two years since the events of september 11, and it is striking how little we know about what happened: .

we don't know the real names of any of the hijackers.. we don't know what countries they came from.. we don't know who planned and organized the terrorism.. we don't know who financed it.. we have no idea what actually happened at the pentagon (but i know a boeing 757 didn't go through this hole).

normal video tapes of and from the pentagon building, which should have shown what happened, have never been released (except for one, which poses more questions than it answers).

Jayson

I demand a recount. Simon should give reporter the honor of being publicly called the most worstest poster of whole articles taking up massive amounts of band width for useless intentions instead of just links. (Of useless impossible conspiracy information) This "reporter" person has earned this title. And it is the only reason that such silly things would be posted. Obviously reporter is jealous of the attention Simon gives me.

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Email from Dick Cheney..BARF!!!

by Aztec in

i got this lovely email the other day... .

dear carrie, .

last month, president bush wrote you asking if you would support his reelection.

Jayson

Gore won the popular vote he isn't sitting in the white house. No matter, I don't think he would've done a much better job than Bush. I always vote my conscience. -Az

Good for you.

Hasn't it occurred to you that if it hadn't been for people voting for Nader, Bush wouldn't have won the election?-Funk

If you don't count the military votes Bush would have only won Fl. by a few hundred votes.Should people not be allowed to vote outside of the 2 party lines? I'm a registered independent. Do I need a party line? (I think not) In the words of Larry Elders, "Republicans or Democrates, a dime a dozen."

Bush is popular with a majority of Americans, in a way maybe more so than any other President. (Although it is sliding) It will be intresting what he does with it in his next term. So far it has caused division everywhere. The thing is a choice is going to have to be made. Is the US going to try to work with old "allies" and try to smooth over bruised pride going back to the way things were. (Is that possible?) Or, is America going to seek new "friends" based on mutual ideology? (If America's new stance has backbone and we don't fold on all that has been done.) I find we are in interesting times indeed.-Jayson

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Email from Dick Cheney..BARF!!!

by Aztec in

i got this lovely email the other day... .

dear carrie, .

last month, president bush wrote you asking if you would support his reelection.

Jayson

http://www.governmentguide.com/consumer_services/stoptelemarketers.adp

Bush's mighty leave me the "F" alone anti-telemarket program.

BTW Az- the link did not take me anywhere. Are you sure someone is not pulling your leg? If you have a link that works let me know. Maybe I'll make my tithe. (Right after hell freezes over)

Edit to add-I did a cut & paste of the link. It's real.

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Email from Dick Cheney..BARF!!!

by Aztec in

i got this lovely email the other day... .

dear carrie, .

last month, president bush wrote you asking if you would support his reelection.

Jayson

I wonder if you can sign up on the Do-Not-Call website that Bush launched to keep Dick Cheney from sending you spam?

Sweet, do it!

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TV programs that make you go ughhh

by Brummie in

jw
friends

tv programs i have to immediately turn off include:.

i'm a celebrity get me out a here...(yeah, get em outta here fer crying).. oprah winfrey/ricki lake...omgaawd, oprah thinks she's "a god" or something and so does her audience.. neighbors/eastenders/corra st/ all of em come to think of it.. what grates your teeth?

or do you enjoy any of these ones?.

Jayson

I refer to all TV as "The oracle." It is all about trying to tell you what to think, what to like, and what to buy. F-ck em. Mute all advertisments. Do the opposite of all talk/opinion shows suggestions, all the girly girls don't give up the booty when rap songs are played and don't believe the outdoor channels when they make catching that big bass or 16 point buck look like it's all wrapped up in 30-60 minutes.

What bugs me? All of it. The only truth is in Sienfeld. People really are that shallow.

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UK Government says thieves need protection

by Jayson in

government lawyers trying to keep the norfolk farmer tony martin behind bars will tell a high court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders.

the case could help hundreds of criminals bring claims for damages for injury suffered while committing offences.

in legal papers seen by the independent, home office lawyers dispute mr martin's contention that he poses no risk to the public because he only represents a threat to burglars and other criminals who trespass on his property.

Jayson

Government lawyers trying to keep the Norfolk farmer Tony Martin behind bars will tell a High Court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders.
The case could help hundreds of criminals bring claims for damages for injury suffered while committing offences.
In legal papers seen by The Independent, Home Office lawyers dispute Mr Martin's contention that he poses no risk to the public because he only represents a threat to burglars and other criminals who trespass on his property.
They say: "The suggestion ... that the Parole Board was not required to assess the risk posed by Mr Martin to future burglars or intruders (on the grounds that they do not form part of the public at large) is remarkable."
"It cannot possibly be suggested that members of the public cease to be so whilst committing criminal offences, and whilst society naturally condemns, and punishes such persons judicially, it can not possibly condone their (unlawful) murder or injury."

http://www.guncontrolnetwork.org/uk18.htm

God knows that criminals have a right to work too...If only the State in the UK had a better welfare system and of course mightnight basketball then the homeowners could be away from home while all their property was being stolen.