i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
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She had many options other than being offensive.
Yes and No.
You make a good point. There are many discrete ways to handle this that would avoid a lawsuit. The easiest is simply stating that you are busy and cannot fulfill their order.
At the same time, why can I not cite my religion as a reason for denying service? Am I not permitted to act on my faith? Am I not permited to mention religion in the public sphere?
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
Cofty,
Loyalty to a real person is a good thing until it begins to cause us harm.
Interesting statement. If our standard is that loyalty is a good thing until it causes harm, why does that only apply to a "real person" and not God?
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
I see Mr Home is already diving for cover with the last resort of the god-apologist
Can you show me were my statements where inconsistent with past statements? If you could prove the existance of God, it would not be called "faith."
My position is consistent. The scientific body of knowledge is a small island in a vast sea of the unknown. I subscribe to a traditional set of beliefs about what lies in the unknown, because it has proven to work in my life. Having said that, I also recognize that it is good to periodically question your beliefs.
To re-iterate my answer to the original OP. No, I do not believe that unquestioning faith is a virtue. Quite the opposite, I believe that it can be dangerous and make one vulnerable to manipulative people.
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
Karen Armstrong also advocates a separation of faith from logic, and blames the mixing of the two for much of the problems with fundamentalism. It leads to untenable, ridiculous positions.
Thanks jgnat. That is thought provoking. When I get through my current reading backlog, I may read some of her books.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
From a legal perspective, the JW can avoid miltary service and pledging allegiance on religious grounds, but not refuse service to the LGBT community.
Am I the only one who finds this odd?
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
LisaRose,
I think in the end most businesses will see that it's not good business to turn away paying customers.
Actually, the evidence is pointing in the other direction. If you look at the businesses which have defied the government (either birth control issue or LGBT), their business has boomed. The baker in CO, Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-a, etc.
There are all sorts of creative ways for a business to side step this issue. Once again, go ahead and cheer. In the end, you will find yourself with less service providers and paying more.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Seraphim23,
I would have been killed twice by Hitler. Shame I wasn’t Jewish and disabled as well really. I would have liked four badges.
It is deeply offensive that you would joke about the genocide of six million Jews.
If anyone else had done so, they would be run out of town. Why is that the LGBT community gets a free pass on this? Not only do you get a free pass, you attempt to portray yourself as a martyr.
This is one of the few instances where I am sympathetic to the JW. This woman was just minding her own business. She did not seek to pick a fight with the LGBT. I have seen no indication that she was disrepectful in any way. She did not stand before them thumping her bible. She did not tell them that they were evil vile sinners. She just told them that she was refusing service on grounds of her religion. If the LGBT were offended, they could just take their business elsewhere. However, that is not enough. If you do not agree with their choice, they will sue, publically humilate you, and attempt to get you fired.
Yes, the LGBT community is worse than the JW. The JW may shun you, but once you deal with that, they leave you alone to live your life. There is no getting away from the LGBT community. If you disagree with them, they will go after you with a passion.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Refering back to previous faith, religion, and science threads. The LGBT movement has taken on a religious fanatical tone. Heaven help anyone who does not prostrate themselves before them. They are the one group that frightens me more than the JW.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
I find it disturbing that she had to consult with an elder and not make the decision for herself.
On the other hand, I find it very disturbing that the courts are dictating with whom you have to do business.
Go ahead and cheer if you want, but the baker mentioned above just stopped selling wedding cakes. Congratulations. The price of wedding cakes just increased in his locale.... oh and BTW, his business is booming from all the publicity he got.
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
If you are really interested, do a web search on "funding bias scientific research".
Ironically, everybody seems to be concerned about bias in privately funded research. What about publically funded research?
