i have a genuine question for the jw apologist.
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what is your scriptural justification for your unquestioning obedience to the governing body and your unwillingness to question their intepretation of scripture?.
Thank you for all that information. That is very useful.
Unfortunately, it has also convinced me that the GB have their butts covered in their literature. I am not convinced that any one question will cause a JW to suddenly question the authority of the GB. Either they are ready for the TATT or not. Unfortunately, that is probably an emotional state rather than an intellectual one.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Research who I am on this site
Actually, I don't intend to waste that much time on you.
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
Thank you for illustrating my point.
At the moment, I am feeling like a victim of friendly fire.
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
So FeebleMindedDude shows up again with the same mantra. I will copy and paste it for him the next time. Abe, just pm me and I will do all the work for you.
Who has anger issues?
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
DJS
Government has a right, a compelling right, to expect those businesses to serve everyone
Who is John Galt?
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
DJS
You are such an elder... you may have rejected JW teachers... but you are still an elder at heart... I am curious... are you still in the JW?
And how many of you haters have or have had government backed school and/or home loans, lived in subsidized housing, were on food stamps, welfare, WIC, worker's comp, etc., etc..
Actually, I stopped doing business with the federal government, because I finally realized that it really was corrupt. It has hurt business, but I do not regret the decision. It was the right thing to do.
We have begun homeschooling our kids, because the public school system is hosed. (And our kids went to a very good good school.)
I have refused SBA back loans, on the matter of principle, even when we desperately needed them.
Yes, I am also deeply disturbed by the collusion between government and big business. The middle class is getting screwed by everybody.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
Cofty
So should a shop have the right to put a "No blacks" sign in their window?
My best friend in high school was black. I had several unpleasant encounters with the police, because they assumed that a white kid in a black neighborhood was looking for drugs. One of my college roommates was black.
I would find this behavior deeply offensive. Not only would I not give them my business, I would tell my friends about the sign.
Having said that, I believe that a business should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time. Likewise, I have the right to refuse to give them my business for any reason at any time.
Obviously, the law disagrees with me on this issue on both fronts.
i was outraged at this and had to post it.. http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refuses-to-provide-wedding-stationery-to-gay-couple.
i think she is a hypocrite and i bet she sells her invites to fornicators, or does she ask them if they are having sex before marrige, before she takes their money?.
i was never like this when i was a jw, it's even more disturbing that she is going to ask her elders what to do.
DJS,
"Sex life"? Does that include heteros? WTF?
Actually, it does include "heteros." I resent the over-sexualization of our society. I resent that I cannot watch a college football game with my young daughters for fear of commercials that portray woman as sex objects.
Let's turn the question around. As required by federal regulation, the banking industry is treats the porn industry as high risk, and as such, regularly denies service. Since we are talking about sexuality, why is it OK for the banking industry to refuse service to porn stars but not OK for a baker to refuse service to a homosexual couple?
Who is out picketing for the porn star's rights?
You clearly have a lot of hatred towards gays.
Thank you for making my point. Where exactly did I say that I hate homosexuals? Where?
I disagree with same sex marriage. I believe that a business should have the right to refuse service to anyone. I resent the militant tactics of the LGBT organizations that sue businesses, force boards to fire CEOs over donations to political groups, and publically trash anyone who disagrees with them. But where did I state that I hate gays? Cannot I not disagree with someone without being accused of being a hate monger?
Quite the opposite, I have had friends who were gay. Of course, I also have friends who were Democrats that did not like my guns, and friends that were Baptist that do not like my whiskey. Fair enough. They do their thing. I do mine. In my wayward college days, I was even pleasantly surprised to discover that some of my lesbians friends were actually bi-sexuals.
The difference is that I can disagree with them without facing a lawsuit.
I was an elder at the time
Why am I not surprised....
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
jgnat
I would reach across and shake hands with you cofty, if I were to say that faith is a poor stand-in for fact.
I would agree with you as well. When confronted with hard, well vetted, irrefutable fact counter to ones faith, one needs to re-evaluate their faith.
the unknown writer of the gospel of john put the following words in jesus' mouth, "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.".
persuading countless generations that it is a virtue to believe incredible things on insufficient evidence, is one of religion's cleverest tricks.. the more incredible the claim; the more flimsy the evidence; the stronger the belief; the greater the virtue.. this is the exact opposite of how we operate in every other aspect of our lives.. rational people must demand objective evidence for everything they are asked to believe.
"extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence".. leaving the dogmatic claims of the watchtower is only a first step.
Phizzy,
So, mrhhome, is your god knowable in any way ?
Yes.
