dragon I still like your posts! LOL I walk away from this and am now posting my breif bethal experiences.
kelsey007
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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Bethel orientation
by freedom96 in.
i was reading some recent postings that talked about the orientation meeting at bethel, and how the negative things were not to be reported back at the congregations.. now that we are free from it all, how about sharing some of these tales?
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kelsey007
I also remember they used to have one hell of super bowl parties up there- you could hear them in the streets.
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
I would agree princess. I am just trying to get over it for lack of any progress. And yes Bill is the one that started it and kept it going. Let us all hail bill! Go Bill GO!!! Forgive him his sins and to hell with anyone who cares. LOL You know how I feel. There is a street named after Bill Bowen- It's called "ONE-WAY".
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Bethel orientation
by freedom96 in.
i was reading some recent postings that talked about the orientation meeting at bethel, and how the negative things were not to be reported back at the congregations.. now that we are free from it all, how about sharing some of these tales?
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kelsey007
I was at NY bethal in the early 90's. WHen you first get there you are assigned living quarters with another person- I went single. Orientation was special LOL. All I remember was the statement about not taking any of the negative things back to the congregations. Thats when I lost it. I also was taken back by Al Shcoders morning read of the Wall Street Journal at the morning spriritual event called breakfast. The lifestyle was very fast paced. You went to breakfast- went back to your room and dressed for work- ran to work then ran back to your room to get dressed in shirt and tie for lunch then rushed back to your room to get re-dressed for work and so on.
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
dragon it has indeed been harder for some to walk away from this than others. Some have been hurt and others read through the arrogance- any way I am with you and am walking away. Thank god this man will now save his postings for his own site-
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
princess I think they are just wore out with it. If ya dont wanna see ya will not see.....but such is life.
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
I am cautiously optimistic and hopeful for you and your future efforts and wish you the best.
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sf- I humbly walk away from this and leave it alone.
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Signs of JW decline
by larc inthe decline of the jws has been discussed before in bits and pieces.
i thought i would summarize some of the "signs of the times".
1. there is been no growth in 24 internet connected countries.
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kelsey007
Moew evidence- possibly. Last week, while at home the JWs went through my neighborhood. Did not even realize this until I was leaving the house. They never rang the bell. Just left mags in the door. In fact they left a mag at every door on the street. Must have come up very quietly in fact because my dog did not even bark and he barks at the wind.....
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
Funny thing JT that is the only part of the orientation I can remember! LOL
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Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz
by silentlambs ini wish them peace.
at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.
for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.
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kelsey007
Venice- I have not known of the other post you are refering to. If what you say is true then I would feel the same toward that and them in the given context. The post that I am aware of was very negative toward Mr Franz in a way that was unfair to Mr Franz. How so? Mr Franz does not visit this forum. And Mr Franz was not made aware by Mr Bowen that the conversation they had was going to be used in such a public way. If I called you on the phone and solicited information from you- how would you feel to learn from a third party that I had made pubic that information without your knowledge? As a mother writing to your son in regards to a personal family matter how would you feel for that letter to be de public? Just my thoughts. It seems to me a bit disrepsectful and a betray of trust. We each develop our own set of values in life. When others do not share those values it is a shock to the senses.
My main point here was that I was not concerned as to whether Bill missquoted Ray or not. How would I ever know the truth there. My point was that I should have never known of the content of the conversation to begin with- especially given that Ray does not semmingly do the internet posting deal. A third party had to advise him that his conversation was being shared here.
BTW I have been interviewed by reporters and they do ask if they can quote you before publishing. They also review with you the material they intend to make public.
Edited by - kelsey007 on 27 October 2002 20:35:44