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  opinions whats the best way to get out the door and not lose your fam DA or

  by primitivegenius in

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  pros and cons............. dissasociation......... disfellowshiping....... or just fadeing away.

  i got family that i dont wanna lose but im not sure the best way to leave and the consequences.

  raised in the "truth" so all my friends are jw with a few exceptions.

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  My wife and I just faded, but we stopped quite abruptly. I don't know if we're completely out of the woods yet. I have this nagging feeling that my wife's father (an elder that lives in the Portland area) will somehow get us DA'd or DF'd for apostasy. He's been a complete jerk of a human ever since we left.

  So far it has been about 9 months since we stopped going. I just don't tell the elders anything and I'm hoping they'll forget about us. Most of my family is still in the organization.

  Most of the family eventually left to join us in our heresy.

  Mulan, how did you get the majority of your family to follow you out?
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  Fake email from Shiela Bowen CAUTION!!!

  by LDH in

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  i received an email from

  entitled "movie" with an attachment, which i opened immediately.

  new people on the board, please use caution when opening attachements or viewing emails from people who frequent this board.

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  That's the Sobig.E virus. It is going around like crazy:

  http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[email protected]

  Don't put too much importance on the "from" address; it's forged anyway.

  And Jourles, that user's IP address doesn't need to have a mail server running. I believe this virus has its own SMTP engine to mail itself out directly to the destination MX (eg, it doesn't need to go through the user's ISP's mail server).
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  Mormon "Apostates"

  by Kenneson in

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  yes, the mormons have their ex-sites too.

  one difference i note is that the lds church doesn't tell its members to avoid "apostate" sites, as does the w.t.

  one church spokesperson stated: "beyond urging members to use wisdom and judgment in their use of the internet or any other medium of communication, we have made no comment on specific web sites.".

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  drwtsn32

  Rev, thanks for the explanation.... I now understand what you are saying.

  I used my own mind to leave the Watchtower, and if I ever join a new religion, I'll use the same methods.

  Very well summarized!

  The Mormon beliefs are quite interesting, I'll give you that. I was aware that they believe Jehovah is simply Jesus in the OT. I was also aware that they believe God (Elohim, right?) had sex with Mary and that's where Jesus came from. And Satan is a brother of Jesus. I also heard they believe everyone was "alive" before being born on earth, and will return to their previous form (flesh and bone, not flesh and blood) after death. I also heard there are many levels of heaven and that they believe even JWs will go to heaven. Those that attain the highest level of heaven will become gods themselves, right? That's some weird stuff, but interesting.

  Regarding the origins of the LDS church, I believe you can dig up a bunch of dirt just like you can with the WTS. In addition, there are still a bunch of unexplaind oddities about the BoM... it was supposedly translated by Joseph Smith (in the 1800's?) from some ancient language into English, yet it uses 16th century English in parts. Supposedly one explanation is Joseph Smith took quotes directly from the KJV bible. How is that reconciled? Also, why did the original gold plates disappear? Why would god do that? And the BoM teaches of great civilizations existing in the Americas, but there is no evidence of that at all from an archaeological standpoint. The bible has much archaeological evidence to support that at least the cities and people mentioned within existed. And if God inspired both the bible and the BoM, why does the bible warn against those that teach things contrary or things not found in the bible?

  Well that's just my $0.02.... I'm atheist anyway so take it with a grain of salt.
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  Growing up a gay Jehovah's Witness (My Life Story)

  by m0nk3y in

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  2. experiences

  i feel the need to express how i feel and felt about my life as a gay man.

  i was brought up from birth as a jehovahs witness.

  this has played a major part in my life and it has been a real struggle to get past.

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  drwtsn32

  Josh, your post was very moving. My heart goes out to you and the pain you endured. My wife and I have endured some pain by being raised in and finally breaking away from the org, but nothing that comes close to your pain. We find some comfort in the fact that we have broken the cycle and will not force any religion upon our children.

  Wishing you the best...
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  another one of those... goodbyes

  by MrMoe in

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  no instant messenger, no emails, nothing.

  well... it is complicated.

  the entire time i was married i went to a friends house one time.

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  MrMoe, I hardly had a chance to get to know you, but I enjoyed your posts that I did get a chance to see. I wish you the best!
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  Mormon "Apostates"

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, the mormons have their ex-sites too.

  one difference i note is that the lds church doesn't tell its members to avoid "apostate" sites, as does the w.t.

  one church spokesperson stated: "beyond urging members to use wisdom and judgment in their use of the internet or any other medium of communication, we have made no comment on specific web sites.".

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  drwtsn32

  Ravyn, that's an excellent summary of what defines a cult.
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  Mormon "Apostates"

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, the mormons have their ex-sites too.

  one difference i note is that the lds church doesn't tell its members to avoid "apostate" sites, as does the w.t.

  one church spokesperson stated: "beyond urging members to use wisdom and judgment in their use of the internet or any other medium of communication, we have made no comment on specific web sites.".

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  drwtsn32

  If you matched Christ Church up to that list, which ones apply?

  That's a good question. I actually think the Bible promotes some cult like behavior. Or at least it isn't too difficult to twist scriptures to support cult like behaviors. The WTS is very good at finding scriptures to "support" their cult mannerisms.
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  Mormon "Apostates"

  by Kenneson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, the mormons have their ex-sites too.

  one difference i note is that the lds church doesn't tell its members to avoid "apostate" sites, as does the w.t.

  one church spokesperson stated: "beyond urging members to use wisdom and judgment in their use of the internet or any other medium of communication, we have made no comment on specific web sites.".

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  drwtsn32

  Thanks KGB, I basically thought Mormons fit those items as well, but I'm not so sure about the shunning part any more.

  And there is much much more that proves they are a cult. They take away the true purpose of Jesus and the bible.

  But teachings and doctrine alone do not define whether or not a group is a cult. A cult must have dangerous mannerisms such as those in the aforementioned web site. I think you might be using the "cult" label on groups that simply have "non traditional" Christian beliefs, which isn't exactly accurate.
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  Fake email from Shiela Bowen CAUTION!!!

  by LDH in

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  i received an email from

  entitled "movie" with an attachment, which i opened immediately.

  new people on the board, please use caution when opening attachements or viewing emails from people who frequent this board.

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  drwtsn32

  Wise move LDH. Everyone really should have antivirus software on their computer and keep it current. You can't afford to not use protection in this promiscuous computing age!
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  1999 watchtower cd-rom.

  by IRQ 0 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can someone point me in the right direction for this cd-rom?

  i have been having some discussions with a jw and i can't get access to any of the source material without going through him.

  i asked him if i could burn it but he wouldn't let me because of copyright laws, etc.

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  drwtsn32

  You really want the 2001 CD-ROM. They don't make the 1999 one any more. The 2001 version has a much better interface and includes two more years worth of publications.

  Maybe I should make it available for download. muhahahaha