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  newbie

  by yumbby in

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  just wanted to say hi, i love this forum, a little tired of the recovery forums, i am recovered and am doing everything that i never could, to excess and loving every minute of it.

  anybody have any ideas of what badness i can try next, i'm all ears.. .

  get your head out of your butt.

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  Abaddon

  Hi yumbby and welcome.

  Avengers; who's PLNet?
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  Not for the faint hearted, research in mindcontrol

  by Celtic in

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  try these search terms to gain more understanding of mind control mechanisms:.

  jehovahs witnesses m k ultra mindcontrol.

  secret mind programming jw's.

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  Mark, have you EVER found one piece of HARD EVIDENCE to support David Ickes allegations that the world is controlled by reptiloid aliens? The links you give contain no evidence what-so-ever, they just are a series of unproved assertations that read like a B-movie script. And, without being rude, your mention of 'not being able to get back to the site' is a little paranoid.

  It's great to be open minded, but one must avoid being so open minded that one's brain falls out. If they're watching things so carefully they're aware of a web search, and they are so good-damn powerfull, how come they don't just liquidate the people trying to put the 'truth' into the public domain?

  Don't get taken in man! It's a scam.

  All the best
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  No Escape from Religion - Am I wrong?

  by Perry in

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  since every culture ever studied has been shown to possess religious practices aka.

  spirituality, the axiom: "culture doesn't exist apart from religion" would seem to indicate that popular ideas concerning the non-religiosity of athiestic tenets are merely fictional.

  i have always been amused by the propaganda the non-deists (and sometimes deists as well) use to spin their ideology.

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  SixofNine; nice post!

  "Perhaps because, while it sounds at first blush to be so wonderfully self-less, it is in fact so perfectly selfish."

  That's the best way of saying it that I have ever heard. If human society makes that its goal, then I think a lasting balance may be achieved someday. It would be the most natural thing in the world, mirroring the wonderful cold machine that is "Mother Nature".

  It's the thinking man's rational egoism, or something; it's been a while since I did philosophy, I've just had a wisdon tooth removed, and am paracetemol, caffine and cannabised to the eyeballs in anticipation of the Ultracaine wearing of.

  As the say in Holland "Ik ben en grote wuss".

  gravedancer;

  Atheism puts no obligation on me to consider how my actions will be construed by some God. I do not have to pay heed to stuff like "whatever we do we do for the glory of God" or "pleasse be wise my son, so that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me". There is no guilt trip associated with it. Why because I dont even think about how my pleasures and decisions affect some God. A religious person would do so....its part of the lifestyle. An atheist does not think about what isn't a factor.

  Everytime I read stuff like this I say to myself, under my breath, "learn to be more concise Gyles", five times.

  I remember once at a nightclub I worked at, me and some other of the bartenders were having a laugh, playing "Truth and Dare" with one of the bouncer's girlfriends, during staff drinks at the end of the night. At one point she giggled, and refused to answer a question; nothing nasty, but she was embaressesed.

  Her boyfriend came over and said something like "Don't listen to these silly wankers", and we laughed, and then he was off "You're laughing at me, I don't like people laughing at me", with the ganster finger jab punctuating every word.

  My co-worker then said, "We're not laughing AT you, we're laughing NEAR you". This caused my hilarity and sliding off sofas in our corner, but Mr Steroid-Rage, did I mention he was, like, HUGE? Mr Steroid rage wasn't impressed at all; one of HIS mates had to hold him off us.

  Ever since then I've been aware that there's a laughing at me, a laughing with me, AND a laughing near me.

  I am glad I amuse at times. I hope it's the right way most of the time.

  Perry; I really do think I like you. It is, for me, times like this that make a board like this really worthwhile. Everyone has a good old chinwag, it gets a bit heated, and then everyone, regardless of the outcome, sorts stuff out and is happy with things.

  I have already gone through much of the learning and 'recovery' process, and aren't really here for 'support'; I realise I am fortunate in that respect, and it's fantastic that we can all do what we can to support people that need it with a listening ear, knowledge, experience, emotional sucor, whatever we have to bring. Others might like more topical or fluffy posts, and that's great too. I love chewing the bacon, and it's been a pleasure chewing the bacon with you.

  "Admittedly, some of my atheist brethren might be upset and point out that we'll get a lot more mileage by refusing to characterize it as such. But, having that arrogant streak that you have alluded to, I would probably tell them, "let's fight it out in the open like men, to hell with being sneaky"."

  I understand you, I hope. That makes sense to me; I have some views about things I know some people could well take issue with, but I'm damn'd if I'm gonna change them just to be popular.

  I hope that you get good news regarding your affairs, and look forward to discussing thing with you again.
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  America Will Execute Brit Today.

  by Englishman in

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  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1867000/1867916.stm .

  englishman.

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  Abaddon

  This is a classic American/European divide thing.

  Most American's can't see why the death penalty isn't right.

  Most Europeans can't see why the death penalty is right.

  Geordie;"He got his after me and an associate of mine paid him a visit. He spent longer in hospital than she did.
  Was that justice?"

  Nah, mate, that's vengence, and vengence is sweet, but it's not justice. However, I'd have done the same thing if I was persoanlly involved, so a virtual pint is coming your way...
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  How many posters does it take..........

  by closer2fine in

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  how many board members does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

  answer: 422 1 to change the lightbulb and post it to the board that the bulb has been changed.

  14 to respond and share similar experiences.

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  Abaddon

  Excellent, thank you closer!
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  Fornication Vs Divorce

  by chezza in

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  hi all,.

  i was reading another post earlier about wether or not to let your children bf gf sleep over and brought something to mind that i have given a great deal of thought too.

  we all know very well the stand the witnesses take on no sex before marriage, and i wonder how many marriages have ended up in divorce because of this.. how many young ones rush into marriage without really considering the commitment they are taking simply because they want to have sex, i am not saying this is always the case but we all know how strong hormones can be, and given the standpoint on divorce in the organization i wonder if given the chance to have sex before marriage wether or not this would lesson the divorce rate which i might add before i left the dubs was rising even in the organization.

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  Abaddon

  First of all, anyone who thinks abstinance is best CAN think that... me stating my opinion is NOT an attack on those with differing opinions. You've every right to them, as I have to mine.

  We are clever monkeys with opposable thumbs, Bach, space-flight and genocide. Wonderful and terrible. You might not agree with that opinion, but that's what I think.

  Thus, I find it if FAR more natural to have a sex life before forming a lasting pair-bond with someone. To conform to pseudo-religious dictates that have lingered on in society after their wholey religous nature has diminished doesn't make sense (to me).

  We are animals. We don't have sex because we have a unfilled social calender, because we have no life, we have sex because it is NATURAL and fun.

  And EVERY atempt to stop having people having fun, be it through sex, music, dancing or the consumption of pharmaceuticals or alcohol, has been historically doomed to failure, as people STILL have fun even if there are penalties attached to it.

  Also, there are many examples of cultures where there are markedly different moral regarding unweds having sex and marital fidelity. Those cultures don't appear to implode as a result. The only reason I think we in the west have the morals we do is because of the large correspondence between Judaeo-Christianity and Western culture, which is nothing more or less than a historical accident.

  If Jesus had been from Tonga, then the morals would be different.

  In the modern world we have vastly increased expected life-spans, wholey different expectations regarding how a relationship comes about, different expectations regarding roles and rights within that relationship; the list of differences between our culture and a simple agarian culture where marriages were early and largely arranged, and where women were chattel is HUGE.

  To have the same moral values, to me, makes no sense.

  To argue that it's the only way to stop STD's, and pregnancy in unmarried women is right. But, what if someone wants to get married in their mid or late twenties? Is it realistic to prescribe abstinance, as what was good for an illiterate 14 year-old Israelite girl MUST be okay for a modern woman?

  Abstinance based morals come from cultures where people were already in a marraige by the time hormonal urges really came into play - or even before. They make far less sense in a culture where it's normally impossible for someone under the age of 16 even to get married if they want to.

  Also, it's undeniable that people DO get married due to frustration if they are raised in cultures where abstinance is the expeted norm. The fact that if you 'keep 'em busy' they won;t think about sex is both arguable and irrelevant, as the harm of hasty marraiges still happens. I know! I've been there!

  Also, if there were no guns in private ownership, there would be no deaths. I don't see anyone expecting that to happen, and guns are FAR less neccesary than sex!!!

  Again, I stress, if your opinion is different, fine; I'm just saying what I think and would no sooner impose that on you than have you impose your opinion on me.
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  No Escape from Religion - Am I wrong?

  by Perry in

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  since every culture ever studied has been shown to possess religious practices aka.

  spirituality, the axiom: "culture doesn't exist apart from religion" would seem to indicate that popular ideas concerning the non-religiosity of athiestic tenets are merely fictional.

  i have always been amused by the propaganda the non-deists (and sometimes deists as well) use to spin their ideology.

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  Perry, I know I'm not as half as clever as I think I am. It's a pity you don't have the same level of knowledge about yourself.

  For a start, you think I'm angry? Oh, tish tish Perry. This is FUN. Come to dinner with my family. WWIII round the table, all forgotten about when the meal is finished. I'm sorry you have issues with a free and enthusiastic exchange of opinion. I can be far gentler, but you seemed to be able to take it; you do dish it out yourself.

  Nice posturing on your part re. ad homs. If you hadn't used any yourself you might have a point. Funny how I've restricted mine to your behaviour in this thread; you're the sad little puppy whose had to go back through my posts to find ammo (oh wow, I make posts about cunnilingus, I have no credability, woe is me!). Cracking jibe about cunning linguists... I expect you think that's original...?

  Whatever, obviously, you can disagree enthusiastically and use ad homs and I can't. Fine. How, er, foolish of, er, me?

  And you are wonderfully condesending. Spent so much time telling me how dumb I am you clean forgot about the weakness of your arguement as regards differentiation. AGAIN. Fine. Oh, and you also forgot the question about whether you've posted under another handle. Your choice, Captain, my Captain!

  And, you still need the 'help' of another person's opinion to prove your point. Great. Are your friends going to wait outside school and say I have cooties?

  And you really don't get sarcasm, do you, as you spend quite a bit analysing a sarcastic aside without realising what it was. Watch some Monty Python, it will richen your life.

  When I say you lie, I am describing your actions. So that's not even an ad hom. You might not mean to. But you do do it. However, the more I look at your defence of what you said the more I think this boils down to language skills.

  You describe the paragraph I am going to quote below thusly; "Very clearly I am agreeing that athiesm is not a religion"

  If the assertion that pure athiesm is not a religion is true, then it must also be true that pure theism is also not a religion.

  This means in plainer English; "If pure atheism isn't a religion, then pure theism isn't a religion". Okay dear. I'm not even going there again.

  However, the product of either belief, whether it be a sense of community, policy formation, or standards of conduct, would be in my mind the very definition of religion.

  This means in plainer English; "However, the products of both atheism and theism can be defined as religious."

  So, you are actually saying atheism functions as a religion - which I disagree with, for the reasons I have outlined.

  No doubt you will start being all semantical; I personally wouldn't live on the difference between a religion and something that functions like a religion, and think if your entire arguement is 'atheism isn't a religon, but for all intents and purposes is one', you're still wrong, but could have saved a lot of time by cutting to the chase. I stand by what I said in my initial reply about you begging the question.

  I think there is a clear case of you not having the language skills to use the vocabulary and dense scholastic prose you favour. I know I can be a tas sesquipadalian at times, but I actaully TALK like that, so it's no affectation for the benefit of the board. I shudder to think what your reaction to this observation is, as you do seem to think even more highly of yourself than I do of me (clue; SARCASM).

  This is proved by the earlier quoted "popular ideas concerning the non-religiosity of athiestic tenets are merely fictional.", which amplifies the previous assertion "However, the product of either belief, whether it be a sense of community, policy formation, or standards of conduct, would be in my mind the very definition of religion.".

  Now, you might disagree. I frankly don't mind if you do.

  I would love to know your academic background; my jibes regarding Anita Loomba were due to having to read her turgid prose last year whilst studying Shakespeare - even my own tutor (who compliled the Open University course books she was quoted in) had to read her several times to know what the hell she was on about - sad really, for someone who studies English to use it so poorly.

  I don't know if you study English; for the sake of future students, I pray (oh my god, an atheist is praying, you're RIGHT, atheism DOES function like a religion) (yes, more sarcasm, getting the idea now, are we?) not.

  Quite frankly, I think I'm gonna leave the last word to you; I'm sure you have a good explaination of how, even when close reading of your initial post shows what you said, you didn't actually say that. I shudder with trepidation at the ass whipping you will give me, which will probably be ultimately unsatisfying to you as I'm far to dumb to know when I'm beat by a superior intellect. Or something. And while you're at it, what do you mean by 'is'?
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  Hi - I'm New!

  by Aunty in

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  just wanted to say hello - i've been lurking here for about a month and decided to join.

  i was raised a witness, but have been out for almost 10 years.

  i just faded out - it was easy since i moved to california from ohio.

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  Abaddon

  Aunty, Dutchy, ARIE; welcome!

  Dutchy, no-one can really say whether an exit is cowardly or not, other than the person exiting. I just stopped going and evaded reprucussions, even after I was divorced for adultery, as I needed to maintain contact with my kids and family.
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  How we can all help...

  by Abaddon in

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  ... simon.... simon is no doubt working on some wonderful revisons that will aloow us to do all sorts of funky things on the new board, that might cut down on the shit storms.. but, we already have a rating feature, that is rarely used.. if you read a thread that sucks, that is back-biting, bickering, or just plain mean and dumb, give it a 1.. that way, everyone can avoid the '1' threads.. use it to give kudos too, and mark other threads as you think appropriate.. i actually think it would be cool if you had to rate a thread.

  i'm sure simon's sick to his back teeth of patrolling the school yard during break-times, so to speak, and if we use the features we've already got, we can help.

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  btt
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  What is your fondest/or not memory of cargroup ...

  by ofcmad in

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  the compassionate toliet thread brought this frightening memory to mind.... the field service assignments!.

  did you all have the same feeling of dread of being stuck with a particular person.. knowing that you would have to listen to their dribble throughout the day.. or listening to that poor sister's sinus condition where she would make that, for lack of a better way to describe it, hock-a-luegy sound with her nasal passages every 10 minutes.

  then lets not forget the positive side.. how you wished with glee, and finally got to work with the car group that would goof off half of the day and the other day go to not-at-homes that would definitely still be not-at-homes.. *************************************.

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  Well, in London, where I grew up, car groups were unknown... everything was walking distance, and the weather's not that bad ever. You might DRIVE to the map, but that was five, ten minutes. Even in rural areas when I was still attending, it was a rare thing.

  I do remember, at age five, being in a car group when my parents were visiting NH, USA. It was cold, and snowy. I thought it was a great idea, but I only ever did it the once.

  Violet; I thought it was just the boys who perved their way through meetings!