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Abaddon
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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking
by flipper ini know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.
first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.
however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.
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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking
by flipper ini know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.
first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.
however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.
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Abaddon
People have known of the Giant and eollasal Squids for ages; they recovver bits of them in Sperm Whale stomachs. A complete specimen is something different and very rare, but they live in (to humans) inhospitable extremes so encounters are very unlikely.
Thus there is no comparison between Bigfoot (lives in an area that should allow enough encounters to give hard physical evidenc but doesn't) and the deep-sea squids (despite the fact they li've in a place no encouners would take place with humans hard physcial evidence exists).
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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking
by flipper ini know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.
first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.
however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.
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Abaddon
Nathan, if you put a fairy in a bottle it will disappear when the sun rises. Everyone knows that.
;-)
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Mr. Flipper's Son Hears and Sees Bigfoot- I'm Serious, Not Joking
by flipper ini know i'm setting myself up here, but here it goes.
first of all if you want to crack funnies about this or jokes, that's perfectly cool, it's alright, i don't mind.
however this is a true story from what happened in may and my motive for writing about this is not just humor, but i want to see if anybody else has experienced what my son went through while being in the mountains or anywhere.
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Abaddon
Well, up to now the lack of incontravertible hard evidence of any unknown species like Bigfoot combined with the high potential number of encounters has lead me to be a little skeptical.
And nothing has changed. Even if I knew someone personally and they told me monkeys flew out of their butt, I would want evidence before I believed it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
It's amazing the perliferation of digicams, DV cams, phone cams etc. in the past ten years or so hasn't lead to any more evidence, and aside getting a shit sample that proved his sighting wasn't a well intentioned error (humans can convince themselves they see anything, it's not something to take personally), I can;t see my opinion changing.
I'd love it to be true; H. florensis, Big foot, Nessie; hell it would be amazingly interesting.
But my standards of evidence don't change because I think it is a cool idea.
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WT monitoring JWD? Absolutely!
by fedorE infrom channel c (today).
you may have read something similar to this before but the specific details are interesting.. this was put on a uk forum by an xjw called gordon...he gave me permission to use his post.. .
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Abaddon
They monitor here.
Black-hat exploits aside, the most obvious way this could lead to reprucussions for individuals is just by having people read the board and note any identifying characteristics posters reveal. You could store the data in Excel or Access and build profiles. Your identity could be identified with a reasonable amount of effort if you give away too much.
I don't think any process they use is complete or thorough thought, but I wouldn't rule out lack of action indicating lack of surveilance.
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Abaddon
Perry
Humans can appreciate the beauty of the bowers built by bower birds see it as different and more attractive than normal bird-built structures and female plumage. Female bower birds can see the same differences, and can finely judge the differences in attractiveness between various male's bowers. As this is the case your claim "The ability to appreciate and know beauty is unique to our species" is wrong. The bower bird example is just one of a number of example at least as large as the number of bird species where the male has brighter plumage
The posession of morality
Oh for Pete's sake. Vampire bats have forms of morality. So does my cat; she looks guilty when she's doing something she knows she isn;t allowed to do, even if she thinks no-one is watching her. "Morality" as in the existence of a correct set of actions for a situation exists in many species. Your ignorance of this is not an indication of it being of divine origin, yet like they say "Omne Ignotum Pro Magnifico Est".
We neither fit in the animal kingdom, nor God's kingdom.
I can prove we fit in the animal kingdom. You cannot prove either way whether we fit in god's kingdom or not.
Humans live in a persistent state of desperation
Speak for yourself. Just because you need an imaginary friend to make your existence enjoyable doesn't mean we all do.
Darwinism is so shapeless that it can be enlisted in support of any cause whatsoever.
As Christianity has been enlisted in support of any cause whatsoever (slavery, misogyny, genocide) it must be shapeless too. Of course, just as you claim bad things like those I list are not from Christianity but were people misrepresenting what Christianity is, so I will claim things like eugenics and marxism are not from evolution but were people misrepresenting what evolution is.
Both selfishness and (with a little mathematical ingenuity) altruism can be given a Darwinian twist.
Or a Christian one.
nor does the imagined historical scenario have to leave any trace behind.
Your lack of introspection in even saying this, given your beliefs, is astounding.
So in Darwinian "logic", if an organism possesses features that appear on the surface to be inconvenient, such as the peacock's tail or the top-heavy antlers of a moose, the existence of moose and peacocks proves that these animals are in fact fit!
Perry, don't you feel you have more to lose than win by chuntering on about a subject to an extent that reveals how little you know about a subject? I see that your limited reading into evolution skipped over sexual selection, and that also you seem to miss that some phenologies may indicate fit genologies, and that those females of the species who select those phenologies (sexual selection) may unwittingly be selecting for fitness. Human intelligence probably arose as a result of sexual selection. As did the shape and structure of
the human penis. More Omne Ignotum me thinks.Convince you that they speak for God.
And you differ from the Borg in what respect Perry?
Unless you are willing to accept that you may be wrong in what you say about god and the Bible you area no better than the Witnesses. Do you accept that you may be wrong Perry?
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Islamic Sharia law, Gods law or just barbaric law
by barry ini beleive with muslims voicing their opinions so openly its time for the average joe out there to be informed about sharia law.
the law they beleive has come from allah and is the most superiour law on the face of the earth today.this issue.
s. the link is http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html.
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Abaddon
barry
Thanks for getting back to the thread.
In this area I would like to point out that the attitude I get from many muslim people and from a thread earlier by Merry that there is no negotiation with the Islamic law of god what is written in the Quran.
And this is another point of similarity with Christian beiefs; at least with the beliefs of some Christians today, and definately with Christian beliefs viewed a few hundred years ago.
And there are some Muslims today who approach the Qu'ran in the same way as modern Christians approach the Bible.
Proper literary criticism of the Bible did not start until the late 18th Century. It's taken over two hundred years for our culture to get close to disengaging from slavish literalism. Islam has barely even started the process. Those Muslims today who do not take the Bible literally are in the same position as those Christians with the self same attitude to the Bible in the early 1800's. A persecuted minority. Another two hundred years previously Christians barbequed other Christians who didn't believe exactly the same as them.
But we fortunately do not have to wait 200 years for Islam to catch up. Just as the place of women in society in Western culture changed, not because of men giving women rights, but because of women taking them, and because women had to become economically active to sustain development, so to will the place of women change in the Islamic world - even if some Western converts don't help the process by accepting the traditional roles assigned to them by male written tradition and law.
Given a choice between economic stagnation and making women economically active, greed will win out, and once women start earning like men very rapidly will expect to be treated like men. Even if their men tell them god wants them to be sweet and sumissive - just as Christian men did and Islamisc men do.
Whether or not Jesus removed us from the Mosaic arrangement has nothing to do with changes in Christian society these past two hundred years, and even if Jesus did remove us from the Mosaic arrangement, Christians were following many restrictive laws and customs based upon their beliefs two hundred years ago that they generally no longer follow. Christian countries administered brutal and brutish punishments and some still do.
All of this changed due to secularism, not reexamination of the New Testament by religious authorities and them insisting on an end to slavery, captial punishment and institutionalised misogyny.
the Muslim will find it much harder or impossible to change because of their very rigid super fundamentalist position
But that is the attitude the Christian world used to have Barry. It would seem you approach this from a presuppositon that there is a difference in the degree of 'god inspiration' between the Bible and the Qua'ran. Such sectarian favouritism cannot be justified to secular people; we see no difference between the two as far as 'truth' goes.
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What kind of positive proof would you need....
by journey-on into accept the existence of god?
(i'm not talking about "a big man in the sky" kind of deity.
) what would it take to convince you that mankind was intentionally created by a powerful and intelligent creative force?
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Abaddon
The same order of proof I have for my chickens.
I do not get the 'I have proof in prayer' thing. Why do people who say this not realise that Odin, Thor, Zeus, Zoraster, Mithras, Baal, Baron Samedi, and a host of other supposed divine entities have proved themselves to their followers in prayer or the equivalent thereof. Or at least their followers thought they did...
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Life on Mars
by Anti-Christ ini don't know if this has been discussed before but what if we find life on mars?
what do you all think would happen to bible based religion if we discover life on mars?
and a question for bible believers what would change in your belief if there is such a discovery?
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Abaddon
Well, as religous belief requires no proof and many forms of it exist in the face of contrary proof, I don't think much will change.
Some will have beliefs that already allow this possibility.
Some will allow their beliefs in a Creator to move to a Creator of life on many planets, even if they don't believe that now and would argue against it in the absense of proof.
Others will deny the evidence. Believe me, if people can ignore the evidence of evolution now and in the past, a few microbes on Mars are easily denied.
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Islamic Sharia law, Gods law or just barbaric law
by barry ini beleive with muslims voicing their opinions so openly its time for the average joe out there to be informed about sharia law.
the law they beleive has come from allah and is the most superiour law on the face of the earth today.this issue.
s. the link is http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html.
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Abaddon
Merry
Barry seems to prefer being able to voice negative opinions unopposed, if his sudden silence is anything to go by.
How are you? I hope all is well with you.
I think we can dispense with Apologetics for Sharia Law; I am opposed to a law system that utilises capital punishment and institutionalises misogyny on grounds of human rights, and find it rather offensive that without any substansive proof what-so-ever human opinion and tradition are asserted to be "god's law".
Such arguments may placate you, but as a humanist why should I find them of any relevence? Your protestations as to how equal you may or may not feel don't change my opinion, any more than a slave telling me what a good master he had would convince me slavery was okay. The slave may feel better off, protected. But from my view point he's a slave and his argument doesn't change that.
Should I 'let' Northern Afican Muslims circumsize their daughters as they believe it is god's law? Should I 'let' people from the 'Children of God' cult have sex with children because they believe it is god's law? Should I 'let' fundamental Christians distort science to restrict school curricilums because they believe it is god's law?
If the answer to the above is 'no', as it obviously is, why should I 'let' Muslims enforce a law system that violates human rights just because they say it is god's law?
But you know yourself that a Muslim in one place can practice a form of Islam substansively different from another somewhere else. Whilst you know intellectually that it is a morass, a fog of human interpretation and cultural leanings (rather than monolithic observance of God's Law without variation) you quite literally avoid thinking about this.
Last time when we were discussing the veil I saw a similar tendancy. You simultaneously feel that the veil is god's law, but will not criticise other Muslim women who don't wear it. If I recall correctly you don't even get into the argument the veil is a cultural thing, despite the masses of evidence from the Muslim world and from areas where for centuries Muslim, Jewish and Christian women living side-by-side were veiled. You simply make apolgisms for following a traditional regional clothing code.
Since we last discussed things I spent a delightful week in Egypt. The people are friendly and kind, easy to talk to. And then a waiter runs off to show you a photo of his 14 year-old wife...
Of course, he's no more a pedophile than Jerry Lee Lewis, or other Americans marrying distastfully young girls when the law still allowed it. But it is a bit shocking.
You have the luxery of taking on what you like of a religion in an environment where there are no negative consqunces if you turn away and do your own thing.
To thus make apologisms for Sharia is a little too easy for you to make it palitable for me. To wear a veil when here is no Qu'ranic basis for it rather than showing someone can live a life as a unveiled female Muslim and thus maybe in your small way help Muslim women who don't have your freedom get closer to getting those freedoms is likewise somehow distasteful.
You strike me as a nice person, but I just can't agree with you actions and thoughts in this respect.
Muslims still have a right and a duty to live by the laws of their religion as best they can
But whose definiton of Islamic Law Merry? You keep hiding from the fact that there is no single indisputable definiton of this, and thus in your rush to have god as you'd like him do nothing more than worship man-made laws.