Posts by kaik

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It's Foolish to Believe the Watchtower Will Always Be Around.

by kneehighmiah in

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friends

september 11, 2001. riding the bus to school that tuesday morning we discussed the implications of the monday night football game between the broncos and the dolphins.

by lunchtime our entire world have changed dramatically.

america had passed into a new era that would lead to major changes.

kaik

WT will be here longer than anyone of you posters here. WT cults tends to live for centuries and they will adapt. JW has 7.5 millions of followers and suckers into that religion are drawn every minutes especially from developing world. WT will change its doctrines to entice newcomers, but will not go away. Neither A.H nor Stalin were able to supress it. People are drawn into cult with a prospect of martyrdom. WT will continue scare millions with a false warnings that Armageddon is about to happen to lure members. Amish communities survived industrialization and are around. Other American based extreme cults are here with much larger membershipt than WT. I do not see they close doors before 2034.

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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help

by jnjburkett in

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friends

hello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.

i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.

we do about 2 bible studies a week.

kaik

To jnjburkett, I was born into JW organization far in Eastern Europe many decades ago. I have half family in JW cult some of them since the time of Hitler and Stalin, and I can tell you that my experience matching with these here on exJW from all over the world: it is cult. JW do not study bible with you, they study their publications that matches selective cherry picking biblical verses to support their narrow, religious views. JWs have very obscure knowledge of bible and their reading is revolving on selected chapters dealing with end of the time scenarios. Around the 1985 home based biblical studies were banned. Their knowledge of scripts and its history of various biblical stories is poor; they often avoid dealing with text that do not support their religious views. Some of them are suprised to find a text in the bible that they never heard of. When they ask about it, they are shouted out, warned with apostacy, or referred to some JW publication. The entire bible study is nothing more than indoctrination to bring you into the organization. Once you became a baptised member, you are virtually forbidden to ask questions. Only direct channel of communication with a God has the right to interpret scriptures and change doctrines at will. Ask your JWs about the origin of the original sin, will Adam and Eve resurrected, did Kain exercised a free will to kill his brother, who represents chaff, and so on.

As I had mentioned, I learned the most about OT from a rabbi. Later I studdied with Jesuit priest as one of the university course without any specific religious views. It was very refreshing. JWs are master of deception and they will not have problem to lie to you to brainwash you to the cult.

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17 calls? Are you kidding me?!?!

by Jon Preston in

well my wife and i still arent attending meetings....we first agreed to go here and there...oops.

anyways we missed the last meeting and suddenly our phone blew up!

it was like 17 missed calls!

kaik

Consider yourself lucky. Some lonely pioneer woman died alone at home and was not discovered until several weeks due decomposing smell. She was buried on city expenses. Six to nine months later someone went to check up on her to find out that she was long dead and cremated. Yep, they cared...

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I amnot JW. Could you help me about bible study?

by emre01 in

hi, iam not jehova witness could you help me about bible study?.

hamzasinan06 - skype id.

thanks.

kaik

Bible study takes years to go through. I grew up in JW, but I had left; but studied with them. Later at university level I studied with Jesuit priest and rabbi. It was completelly different opinion. I find Jews have an excellent understanding of the OT. Thanks to rabbi, I saw that there is no original sin or devil per OT. JW have vague understanding of bible because their belifs revolve around selected passages related to End of the world and everything else is taken out of context. I would not recommend to study with JW first if you do not know bible. You can also sign for college courses and go into bible studies without any specific denomination.

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

kaik

s&r I agree what you had posted. WT is like wizard spell that distored reality and world around you. I am not sure how people wake up to this bullsh.t, but for me it was like shattering of invisible glass. It was sudden. All beliefs I grew up with had felt apart, their lies and nonsense, the ridiculous beliefs and indoctrination. WT playes psychological games with its members. It scares them with a vision of apocalypse that is about to happen. Everything that you see, love, cherish, and accept will be destroyed, but only you can be saved as one of the Jehovah Witness. WT created a medieval version of scarecrow which was the hell at that time. Centuries ago, people were not afraid of death as much because it was present. Medieval world used memento mori motto. After the death was hell or heaven. Vision of eternal flame torturing sinners depicted the fear nicely in the medieval and renaisance painting. Centuries forward, the death became much a tabu. WT uses the fear of death, destruction, and dying to control its members. The natural instinct to survive kicks in. Once a person became a member of the organization, he or she is threatened with isolation and destruction if they leave WT being told that DF's individual does not resurrected. One the spell is broken, you realized that all is lie. There won't be armageddon, life goes on, and you can make the best of it. I am glad I am out and build my life without WT falsehood.

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Do you think JWs are dangerous, if yes why? If not, why?

by suavojr in

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friends

personally the jws to me are not dangerous.

on the other hand, many do think they are in fact a dangerous cult.

why are they dangerous?.

kaik

Yes, the WT and its members are dangerous. While others mentioned transfussions and other medical procedures, do not forget hundreds or thousands of JW who died by stupidity of the religion. When there was a war in Yugoslavia, JW still attended KH meeting even when it was clear that large gathering of people will attract and turn them into military target. Around 1994 in Sarajevo a shrapnel landed in entrace of JW meeting and killed entire family. They were targetted because the military saw bunch of people gather at one location. Or look into Armero tragedy in 1985 when JW were killed by melted snow from volcanic erruption and instead of evacuation they flocked into KH that was in the direct path of the river. When there is a disaster, you should obey evacuation orders and have some life preservation instinct. How many others died in the field service as a direct result of epidemic, natural disaster, and war action?

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When a JW's life comes close to its end...

by suavojr in

talking with a long time elder last night, was very revealing.

he has been a jw for over 60 years, a man that was incarcerated in cuba in his early 20s and faced great loss and suffering over his beliefs and for being born in a communist country.

this brave man is now brittle and low-spirited.. while nightfalls on his life, he is made aware the end is near.

kaik

I seen this happened in my family, but thanks that my parents accepted their biological ending as something normal. They do not more expecting Armageddon to save them from age and death. However, my JW aunt to the last weeks of her was sure that she will never die. She slept in armchair so she would not pass and could see the Armageddon. When she was dying she insisted that she will be resurrected shortly. That witch is gone for 14 years, her elder sons are now pushing 50 or more, they still have everyting arranged in the house for case the mom will be just back. They are puzzled that they are decade away from retirement, they were told that they will never age and die, and are completely umprepared for the old age. Worst are JW who did not marry or did not had children and now are old and forgotten and nobody give a c.ap about their lonely existence.

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Listen, Obey and

by berrygerry in

i'm extremely neutral in our house, so it's not my influence - honest!.

my 11-year old is light-years advanced with his intelligence and humour.. he's going around the house singing "listen, obey, and be castrated.".

was not impressed.. pretty hard to contain my laughter..

kaik

Listen-Obey-Donate?

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What proof do we have that Moses was a real person???

by jam in

i personally believe moses was largely or entirely mythical.

is because much of his biography, if not most of it, is tied to events.

that never happened, meaning that a historical moses could not .

kaik

Cleopatra did existed, because body for her sister was excavated in Turkey before WWII. While the scull was destroyed during battle of Berlin in 1945, the bones and DNA are there. I recommend watching documentary, Cleopatra, the portrait of killer. There are many historical evidence from Roman and Greek records to traces of battles, and the Roman occupation of Egypt, and even coins that circulated along the Eastern Mediterranean. Hanibal was real due excavations of the battle sites. 220 BC was not that far off from the peak of the Roman Empire. It was a closing period of the Roman Republic that ushered a golden age of the Latin literature. Using elephants in the battle was already known to Alexander the Great during his conquest of eastern Persian empire. For Roman soldiers, it was the first time they faced them. Greeks 100 years before them had knowledge about using elephants in the battle. When you talk and mention such events that happened in the period of extensive literature development with large cities and civilizations like Roman, Greek, Persian, Ptolemanic.., you have extensive traces of them. Moses if he ever existed, lived in period in Bronze Age, where Greek civilization nor even Chinese existed. It would predate any of the great civilization of the antiqutity by 1000-700 years.

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Why does the new NWT not say outright that Jesus began to rule in 1914?

by yadda yadda 2 in

why???????.

http://www.jwstudies.com/2013_nwt__pages_1766__1767.jpg.

kaik

1914 is liability and WT is attempting to move away from it. The task will be accomplished when older generation of JW dies out and younger is clueless about it. There are several major relationship tied to that year including 1918-1919 selection of Heavenly bride, the Revelation bowls and trumphets linked to 1920's conventions, etc. WT cannot just removed all of it at once without spooking their members and lose revenues.