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  How many killed by the 5 Cholera pandemics during the 1800's?

  by redpilltwice in

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  you all know jwfacts (run by paul grundy).

  on this website, under “did the last days start 1914” ---> “pestilence”, it says:“during the 1800's five cholera pandemics killed around 100 million people.” .

  there is no link to any source of info, so i emailed paul and asked where i can verify that total number?

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  kaik

  resist the myth that our days are the worst of mankind

  Many ways the historians agree that the worst century for mankind was 14th century. The Black Death pandemic killed 100 million people in known world, where Chinese population dropped by 1/2 and European by 1/3 in matters of several years. There was 100 years war and Timur conquests that killed millions people. Only other similarly devastating century was 17th century due outbreak of 30Years War and Ottoman Wars centered in Europe, Mediterranean, and ME. Plagues in 1666-1681 were as devastating as Black Death. German population shrunk by 2/3 in that century and it took another 100 years before recovered to 1600 level.
  
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  When Did Higher Education Become Taboo?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  i have been reading about the early history of russelites/jws and in the beginning, it seems the organization was formed and headed by quite a few educated people.

  lawyers, doctors, businessman.

  you could buy voting rights within the organization for $1000, which by today's standard would be somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000, something most of us do not have on hand, unless you are highly educated and/or wealthy.

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  kaik

  I am not sure about USA, but I know in the Czechoslovakia the push against college education started in the 1960s. Prior 1950, there was not many college educated people. German during WWII managed to execute significant number of educated people in occupied Europe and Czech colleges and universities were closed while remaining students were deported into concentration camps. My grandfather had university degree since 1920's and he was pretty much among a few people who survived WWII while majority of his colleagues never returned from the camps. Stalin system did not support intellectual development either. This changed with general liberalization of Eastern Europe in the 1960's when the grip of communist party weakened, and many young people had a chance without political affiliation to study. It was around the time when elders started speak against young people (postwar generation) to go to college. In my KH we had several college educated people, but they were these who were born prior WWII and were able to get advanced degree after the war. Young people who entered workforce in the 1960's and 1970's were counseled not to attend college, because Armageddon was imminent. One of my cousin wanted to pursue engineering degree and he was turned away from it around 1970s.
  
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  JW girls are very shy

  by theBaus in

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  what they do when they are having crush on someone?.

  how do they act?.

  *new in this world, so need to hear your opinions.

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  kaik

  Majority of them are shy, but there are many "gold diggers" as well. When I grew up in the WT cult, I see how several girls and young ladies were determined to seduce an elder with influence, get married, and look down upon everyone. Then there were young ladies who married to first available brother just for sake to get married and they did not look for love, money, appearance, or security. They just wanted to be married in "Truth". Many times I was surprised how generally shy, good looking lady, ended marrying an elder who could be their grandfather or father, looked like Mephisto, or were outright abusive.
  
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  Best pills meds or other to take before meeting?

  by Crazyguy in

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  thought it would be good to share what ones take to deal with the meetings.

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  kaik

  My uncle was an elder. He had shots of hard liquor prior going to KH and got wasted after the program. He was alcoholic and unpredictable when he got drunk. Eventually he died from liver failure (liver cancer or cirrhosis).
  
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  JW driver dies transporting literature to Honduras 01/09/2016....disturbing comments by local elder!!

  by krismalone in

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  on 01/09/2016 a jw driving an 18 wheeler trailer full of jw literature dies as a result of an accident.

  the trailer departed from guatemala and heading to honduras to drop shipment.

  a local elder is interviewed as he arrives on the scene.

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  kaik

  So sad. I do not understand Spanish, but I am not surprised with the lack of empathy. 24 years ago, an elder drove his car to local convention and had an accident where he died and so did his grandson. The accident happened less than five minutes from the convention. JWs were driving by, and they did not stop because they did not want to be a late and miss a part of the program. However, everyone in my quarter debated that they had seen the crash, and top of it several people recognized the car of the elder!
  
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  Best pills meds or other to take before meeting?

  by Crazyguy in

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  thought it would be good to share what ones take to deal with the meetings.

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  kaik

  Just have a shot or two of tequila, whiskey on the rock, have martini.
  
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  How many killed by the 5 Cholera pandemics during the 1800's?

  by redpilltwice in

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  2. beliefs

  you all know jwfacts (run by paul grundy).

  on this website, under “did the last days start 1914” ---> “pestilence”, it says:“during the 1800's five cholera pandemics killed around 100 million people.” .

  there is no link to any source of info, so i emailed paul and asked where i can verify that total number?

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  kaik

  Hungarian cholera epidemics in 1830's according to the web infected 850,000 people from which 185000 had died. So there is discrepancies even within one country like Austrian empire. My other probability could be that Asian sources could exaggerate the death tolls, similarly did medieval and renaissance era with outbreak of Black plague. While epidemics of 1348-1352 was indeed catastrophic, so did outbreaks in the 17th century, last major European epidemics in 1711-1713 had comparable death rate to that of cholera. Yet, renaissance did not build as much plague memorials unlike Baroque era, even when more population died in 1600's than century later. When observer mentions that 60000 died in Alexandria in 19th century in city that had 50,000 people than there is something miscalculated.
  
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  How many killed by the 5 Cholera pandemics during the 1800's?

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you all know jwfacts (run by paul grundy).

  on this website, under “did the last days start 1914” ---> “pestilence”, it says:“during the 1800's five cholera pandemics killed around 100 million people.” .

  there is no link to any source of info, so i emailed paul and asked where i can verify that total number?

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  kaik

  But also it is necessary to consider that pandemic like cholera did not hit entire country and every community. Even in Austrian Empire where outbreak of cholera is well documented due excellent bureaucracy of the Hapsburg monarchy, there were communities that were not affected. Bohemia down to Vienna were at that time one the most densely populated areas of Europe in 1830's and Vienna was the fourth largest city on this planet. The records indicated on the first outbreak that less than 1% of city population died in matters of several weeks, and cholera outbreak ended with arrival of deep freezing temperatures. In Prague in the same time period had more people infected and more had died, but the rate was 1.5% of total city population. However, Hungarian cholera epidemic involved almost 20% of population and every four of the infected had died.
  
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  Obey the Superior Authorities God says / God says Satan is controlling the Superior Authorities.?

  by smiddy in

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  romans 13 : 1-4 clearly states that the superior authorities are an arrangement from god , defy them and you are working against the arrangement of god at your own peril.. christians are to be obedient to the superior authorities ,"for their is no authority except by god , the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by god .therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ".

  matt.

  4 :8-10 shows that all the kingdoms and governments are under satan`s control , jesus never disputed that claim .

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  kaik

  I had discussion on Satan with my Jewish in-laws and with rabbi, and they both told over the time, they do not believe in Christian interpretation of Devil who torment souls of sinners for eternity in hell. This concept is foreign to Jews. They consider Satan as someone who collect evidence on someone misbehaving and as David Jay said is to argue in the heavenly court on personal failing of humans. It is like court appointed prosecutor. Prosecutor does not sentence you to jail, the judge does. Prosecutor only argues the laws and presents evidence when someone violates it.
  
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  How many killed by the 5 Cholera pandemics during the 1800's?

  by redpilltwice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you all know jwfacts (run by paul grundy).

  on this website, under “did the last days start 1914” ---> “pestilence”, it says:“during the 1800's five cholera pandemics killed around 100 million people.” .

  there is no link to any source of info, so i emailed paul and asked where i can verify that total number?

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  kaik

  Mephis, that is possible, but I think it is on the upper limit scale. If the world population reached 1.5 billions around 1860 and 10% of population was affected, you will get 150 millions people. If 1/3 had died that will leave 50 million death toll.