Posts by kaik

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the bible and its prophecies

by Crazyguy in

i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.

its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.

but what i don't get is the prophecies.

Again ColdSteel, you lack knowledge of the Roman Empire history that can be obtained at the university level. Judea was isolated and rather for Rome unimportant, backward province. The most important province for the Imperial Rome was Egypt which was the main grain producer for the city. Jerusalem was impoverished city and more Jews lived in Alexandria and elsewhere than there. They had better living standard and business opportunities there than in ancient homeland that was barely above bronze age level in comparison of advanced civilization in Italy, Greece, Persia, or Egypt. There was no revolution in Judea, but revolt against Rome rule as happened in other provinces in the past. Within the same generation frame there were as big and violent in Britain under Boedica, in Batavia, Illyria, or kingdom of Bosphorus (which was also reason why Roman failed to control entire Black Sea coast).

Yes majority Jews were not aware of Jesus existence. Big suprise to you. Jews lived all over the Roman and Persian world and they have not heard of existence of Jesus at that time. This is also reason why they do not believe that he was a messiah. Maybe you should go into the synagogue and preach them that they should accept the Jesus as their messiah... let me know how it will work out for you. Whatever is written in the New Testament is completely irrelevant to the Jews in the past and to the religious Jews today.

Otherwise the long nonsense in the rest of the post attempts to prove your imaginary religious point and it is not worth of effort to response. Yawhn

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Any active jws, without using the phrase "God must have..." Can you prove that Noah's ark actually happened

by DuvanMuvan in

i have a number of problems with the noah's ark story that i could never find the answer to in the bible and so i thought i could ask here:.

1.how did noah get animals that are indigenous to areas he could not get to (e,g penguins, koalas, kangaroos, moose etc) .

2.the flood supposedly happened around 4000 years ago but there is evidence of civilisation dating back a lot further.

kaik

Various mountains are constantly uplifted and we can measure their rate with a high degree of precission. For example there was a measure of the Monroe uplift in northern Louisiana that proved that the ground is being uplifted due tectonic movement causing shifting of the Mississippi river. Within next several hundred years, majority of water within Mississippi river will be flowing through Atchafalaya river to the Gulf. WT used to teach that the earth before flood was flatter and there were no any high mountains. They follow medieval thinkers who discovered fossils on the top of the mountains as a proof of the global flood. WT does not believe in orogeny that is responsible for all the mountain building epochs in the Earth's geological history.

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What Ailed Those Pilots ... ?

by snowbird in

the pilots and crew of the missing plane, was something wrong with all of them?.

sylvia.

kaik

My typo, I forgot to put no. So the sentence in my previous post is that cell towers are unable to pick the signal in that altitude.

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JW's Never Closed the Door On A Russian King of the North

by scotoma in

jw
friends

king of the north.

union, the "king of the south" can be none other than the rival non-communist bloc, under the .

so who is the king of the north now?

kaik

Really nobody knows what is what and which country, organization, alliance, and ethnicity represent Kings of the North and South. Russia can disintegrate and some part can become part of EU, while Muslim region like Tatarstan can link with their heritage brethens in Central Asia. Nowhere is set that USA will not disintegrate, nor China can control most of the world like they did in 1220-1296 under the khans where some of the Mongol troops got as far as Gaza and Jerusalem. UK never controlled Europe nor Rome. This only happened to Napoleon and A.Hitler in modern times and Charlemange and Justinian in the early medieval times.

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Why is it so hard to deconvert the JDubs?

by alonein321 in

i was watching this q & a by peter boghossian (autor of the book a manual for creating atheists) on youtube:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zksbmdcczvu .

around 17:15 min, he explains that there are difficulty levels when it comes to religions in aplying these techniques.

kaik

Yeah Vidiot I am one of them who believe that WT will be here for long long time. Suckers are born into the faith every minutes. They can always bring their offsprings to continue the organization to run. They can whitewash and destroy their own past that nobody who is in the faith will care what WT published 25-50-100 years ago. There are always fools that will be drawn into the extremist religion. Even if their membership will stagnate, the WT can claim success. After 1945 many belived that Hitler devastated JW organization in Europe into such degree that they would never recover. Yet within 10 years, they had more members that they had in 1933. WTS can change some teaching, get new light, point to new imminent end and people will be sucked in and wait, and wait, and wait, till they die.

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the bible and its prophecies

by Crazyguy in

i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.

its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.

but what i don't get is the prophecies.

kaik

Yeah in the time of Ezekiel, Rome was just becoming city republic fighting Etruskans and Sammians in Italy, and Greeks were figuring out how to beat up Persian invasion of their mainland. It was well 100 years before the golden age of Athens, before Peloponese Wars, age of Pericles....

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the bible and its prophecies

by Crazyguy in

i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.

its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.

but what i don't get is the prophecies.

kaik

Cold Steel again, you mixing different centuries, countries, cultures, and politics to fit your religious point. Majority of Jews in the 1st century lived outside Judea scattered along two major empires, Persian and Roman which were mutually antagonistic. Many Jews served in either state and some were even advisors of various Roman Emperors. So did Jews in Persian. Both were viewing other empire as an enemy. Majority of Jews during the life of Jesus never heard of him nor really were aware of his existence. Many Jews even deny that he ever existed and they will point you out into dozen various texts in the OT that Jesus did not fullfill biblical prophecies. Additionally, Jerusalem was not depopulated during Jewish war in 66-70, but only captured and devastated. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 135AD after the last major Jewish revolt, something that is usually conveniently ommitted by Christians. They were not allowed to return until Diocletian and Constantine reign 200 years later. Romans did not forbid Jewish worship in Jerusalem in 70AD and Jewish faith was accepted as official religion of the empire since the time of Roman Republic as were many other faiths in the Roman Empire.

Any case, I do not want to engage in proselyting attempt and proof and reconfirmation of your points. I had studied with rabbi and I married to Orthodox Jew to know NT is nonsense from Jewish point of view, so whatever is written in 2. Thess, Matthew, or Revelation was rather meaninless to ancient Jews and is meaningless to present citizenry of the state of Israel.

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the bible and its prophecies

by Crazyguy in

i have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.

its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.

but what i don't get is the prophecies.

kaik

It really does not matter what is written in NT because Jews do not believe that Jesus was messiah. Jews do not believe in Second Coming. Turkey did not exist during the OT it was populated by completely different nationality which was closer to present Indo-European ancestors and there were three different population exchanges. Whatever the map tries to make out, is a vivid imagination of the author.

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Do JWs Still Believe In Types And Antitypes?

by minimus in

do they still say the remnant picture moses or noah or some inanimate object??

?.

kaik

We were told that John the Baptist was NOT anointed because he died before Jesus. Only people who died after the death of Jesus were anointed.

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Do any ex JW' s/ God believer's, Agnostics or Atheists believe in Karma? And WHY?

by rip van winkle in

just reading a thread and the mention of karma popped up.

( it happens, lol).

a lot of people believe in karma: what goes around comes around.. some months ago, while on another exjw site, karma was mentioned and i thought it a little odd, as they are atheist.

kaik

No, I dont believe in karma. It defies the notion of free will and actually implement that there is a higher authority that keeps scores of your good and bad deeds and punishes/rewards you accordingly. It is the same belief in fate as was known in Greek and Roman times. Many people did horrible things to others without ever being punished (think of all these bad bosses), while good people seem to have all the bad luck. Karma is nonsense and it is not the same what you sawn you will reap (and that is disputable as well, think of all these people in position of trust).