Dinosaurs' fossils were known since antiquity. Roman emperors were vivid collectors of them and some of the bones were also discovered and interpreted in medieval times a proof of the Deluge. The best way to see evolution is to hit the nature; however, JWs do not have enough time for it, because they are busy seating on studies and doing field service.
Posts by kaik
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50My friends don't believe dinosaurs existed ....
by wannabefree ini just found this out last night.
(preface: this is a husband and wife that i have come to be friends with after leaving the borg, they are christians).
we were sitting around visiting last night and having a good time when my friend starts in on illegal immigration and politics and starts throwing out his hate speech which eventually turns to homosexuals.
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What prophecys made you belive the Bible?
by venting ini now believe the bible is a book of history and myths.
the org and others still point to certain prophecys that lead them to believe, that god must have been involved.
how can we explain some of these?
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kaik
What all biblical prophecies have common? Non of them ever came true. What you other argue here with proven prophecies are often not even related what OT & NT said. You mentioned destruction of Jewish system in 70AD. Not really, it was only punishment of the rebellious Roman province. Jews who majority lived at that time outside Judea in cities like Alexandria have NOT faces any punishment for rebellion in Judea. Jews who lived scattered among two biggest empire of the antiquity, Roman and Persian empire, were not EVEN aware that Messiah had been declared in their ancestral country. And so on can be analyzed any prophecy in the Bible. Some of them are so vague like:
19 I will put in the desert
the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive.
I will set junipers in the wasteland,
the fir and the cypress together,
20 so that people may see and know,
may consider and understand,
that the hand of the Lord has done this,
that the Holy One of Israel has created it.[Isaiah 41:19-20]
Are you really think this is really prophecy that mention tree growing in Levant as a proof? Who think this is a prophecy about future? Either way, I do not hang up much on prophecies that are product of a wild imagination like of that John of Patmos. Do other are aware that Romans had extensive prophetic schools, so did Greeks. Some of these Greeco-Roman prohecies became true, like every clock is correct twice in day.
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org is dying
by lambsbottom ini don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.
i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.
the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.
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kaik
I do not think JW is dying. They could 100-85-45-25 years ago after all these failed prophecies and expectations, but they survived. They are not going anywhere. They may experience shinking membership for a while, but they will not disappear. WT is a seller of unatainable and misleading empty promises for a better future, and there are alwyas thousands of people who would sit on the bait. The image of petting zoo of pandas and tigers; resurrected loved ones; world without problem because there is higher power that will solve everything. This sell nicely. Many people would not care about WT past nor use analytical skills to see that it is all nonsense. After 1975 they experienced crisis, but WT resolved them with new round of BS. They will adapt.
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The Generation that 'WILL NOT DIE'
by LogCon inhow many people, shown in this 1914 grade three school picture, do you think may still be alive ?.
birch school.
group iii.
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kaik
There is no more a man alive born before 1900. There are six or seven women alive that were born 1898-1900. My grandfather was that generation, he fought in WWI on Eastern Front for Austria-Hungary. He is long dead. All my grandparents were born before WWI and they died in 1990's. Generationt that will not die certainly passed away.
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Your final WTF? Moment!
by restrangled init was a long time coming for me.....when i read about the extened generations, after being raised on1914 being the be all end all, and millions would never die....that was the end.
i was part of the 1975 fiasco, the 6 month only truth book studies, suffered through a disifellowshipping and their version of a rewind.
i finally am free and hope others can eventually look in instead of inside looking out!
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kaik
I grew up with it. Last month my mom asked me what caused me to leave the "Truth" I said it was the study of the book of Revelation. We studied around 1991-1992 and I could not accept the amount of BS that was in that book. The stories of some assemblies in far away distant country like OH, USA in 1920's compared to the events of the Revelation and other nonsense. I looked around KH and everyone was wow, that is awesome. This was my mental break from man proclaimed truth. Later I was able to find out about the 1925 fiasco and I knew that WT is full of lies.
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Simon, please update my profile picture!
by will-be-apostate ini've read on another thread you need to delete the cached file of the profile picture so that it can be updated by the gravatar user.
i created a gravatar account, added the email address i use on here and uploaded the an image, but nothing happens.
this was 3 days ago.. could you please solve this problem?.
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kaik
My gravatar works elsewhere, but not here as well.
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Germany loses 22 congregations and 41 KHs in 3 years (2011-2014)
by Viva la Vida ini just compared the latest data provided by the german wt and data i found searching for the same page in archive.org.
congregations 2011: 2232. congregations 2014: 2210. kh 2011: 1075. kh 2014: 1034. source: http://www.jehovaszeugen.de/statistik.18.0.html - this is a oficial site for germany.
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kaik
I would say the main issue for Germany is aging JW population. I remember they were geriatric KH back 20 years so maybe there was a die off. I am not sure on Poland because its demographic is much younger (average age seems to be around 38, little less than in CZ), but I would assume that Polish society became much secular and making JW field service difficult.
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Evidence of Ocean of Water in or under Earth's Mantle.... Will people now state this to be proof of the Noah Account?
by adjusted knowledge in"the transition zone can hold a lot of water, and could potentially have the same amount of h2o [water] as all the world's ocean.".
http://news.yahoo.com/found-hidden-ocean-locked-deep-earths-mantle-181204475.html.
i figured when people read this that there will be those claiming proof of the flood story.
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kaik
People should re-read the article AGAIN. The original article did not mention any water in liquid form, but trapped in mineral and pressured under extreme heat into new material. There is nothing new that oceanic water gets under the mantle. Look into subduction zones around the Earth where deep tranches move oceaning floor deeper into the crust. The water above gets pulled and trappen in mantle. Majority of the subduction zones are accompanied by volcanic arcs where some of the water get released as well.
Past 150 years various researches were on Mt. Ararat looking for arch from Russians to British, Germans, Japanese and others, and they have not find anything on it. Ararat is not extremely difficult to climb, various remote sensing techniques were done over its tiny glacier which is about ~3 SQM2 and no trace of arc was ever produced. Global deluge is myth, it was produced as a moral story to be discussed around tribal camp fire.
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Does The Governing Body Have A Plan B For When The End Never Comes?
by frankiespeakin inwhat say all you thinkers out there?.
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kaik
The GB plan is to remain on top of the cash flow to maintain their lifestyle, power, prestige, and control. They do not need anything else. As long there are millions of suckers serving them, they could care less about the end. They never did. You just keep the slaves to be obedient and scare because the God's retribution is just about to happen and the only chance they will survive is within GB umbrella.
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In Death lies Glory
by BluePill2 ini was alone at the new branch construction site in ticuantepe (nicaragua).
everybody had taken off for a weekend assembly in the capital and it was my turn to have watchman duty and guard the site.
we had dogs and i only had to walk around the perimeters and check all the gates and entrances.. suddenly a young boy appeared at the main gate, breathless and visibly nervous.
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kaik
Thanks for the reply on my post. However, it is really sad to see that millions and millions of people for thousands of years reject the only life they know for unverifiable promise in afterlife. Nobody ever proved that anyone ever got second chance once they died. All major denominations around the world teach that person needs to suffer, live miserable life as part of the redemption, and die so they can live happily ever after. How many people could have much more productive and happy life if they knew that only chance they got is in time the lived and make much better society without wars, oppression, fear, and enslavement. As a result, humanity devaluated the human life as something that can fixed; yet never ever anyone had done that after their death.