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Goodbye JW net
by snare&racket inforgive me for indulging in a goodbye but it would feel wrong not to,.
i hope the discussions and atmosphere here do not change for it is a bubbling brew of doubt, bravery and sincere hunger for answers.
these are healthy ingrediants for humans and especially for a jehovah's witness.. this forum offers not just the ability to ask without consequence, but it also offers the means to be real.
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My three days of hell summary - Part I
by cookiemaster inwell guys, i finally got back from the dc or whatever it's called nowadays.
it wasn't really as bad as i expected but still, it was pretty bad.
the first interesting thing happened on the road.
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The schism is well known and documented and been around for about 45-50 years. The hardliners were minority and abandoned by Brooklyn, because they put higher emphasis on Bible than on WT publication. Knorr sided with the moderate section that saw themselves as a good citizen in communist block, but not interfering in the political system. The moderates had broader base and respected authorities without causing much troubles. I do not remember than anyone had significant problem with the communist goverment when I lived there. My aunt was JW from late 1950's or so, and my mom joined them before 1975. We never had any problem. The hardliners were refusing whatsoever respect to the authorities and played on martyrdom issue. These people oftem emphasised how much they suffered for their faith. I heard the comparision that they were like medieval beggers in front of church displaying their leprosy.
Second issue was also literature. Under communism, there was just not enough publication. While there supposed to be only one channel, many JWs had obtained publications from abroad, translated them, copied them and distributed. Generally there were several ways mostly from Vienna, but also via Poland, Belgrade, and Budapest. When the light started to change, the hardliners thought that it was plot of the communist government damaging the publication and faith, causing them to turn into very old literature. After years the split was too big as there were too many differences. Each group usurped their own position and mutually excommunicated each other. Brooklyn was often not sure what was happening due political isolation, but Knorr sided with the moderates.
I run into the hardliners several times in 1980's, and they called themselves sometimes unofficially Children of Jehovah or Witnesses for Jehovah. They conserved WT teaching of the interwar period. Elders did not like them and considered them as very dangerous apostate. After 1989, there was attempt to unify these two groups and reconcile the differences, but many did not. I heard that the leadership of the hardliners decided on their own regardless what their members wanted as they were persuaded by Brooklyn. Many followed them into the mother organization, but also smaller part refused to acknowledge the shift and stayed behind.
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Major reversal for the Watchtower imminent - Countdown: only 5 left.
by Focus in.
focus.
("armageddon" class).
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Another issue that will work against generation teaching is a big dip on birthrate that happened in the world between 1914-1920 as a result of WWI and Spanish flu. There was huge population boom between 1890's and 1914 that coincide with the rising world economy before WWI. WWI caused huge dip in birthrates this deficit was visible in chart. As of 2010 there was still small uphill of population born between 1905-1914 as they been departing this world. However, once we head into 2016-2020 there would be a big dip of centarians.
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What the Bible Students (now Jehovah's Witnesses) Believed About the French Revolution When Christ Inspected Them in 1919, Cleansed Them and Approved Them
by Kenneson infound this interesting article in the march 15, 1919 jacksonville florida times union.. "bible suppressed will.
be lecturer's subject.
bohnet, of pittsburgh, a direc-.
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My three days of hell summary - Part I
by cookiemaster inwell guys, i finally got back from the dc or whatever it's called nowadays.
it wasn't really as bad as i expected but still, it was pretty bad.
the first interesting thing happened on the road.
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kaik
The schism happened in several Eastern European countries. I lived behind Iron Curtain under communism where there was a schims between two groups of JW that started in 1960's when communist regime relaxed. The JW split happened between groups in which one wanted moderate course with the communist government as asked by Knorr and other that wanted hard-line visioning martyrdom. In that era communists tolerated JWs and even considered to legalized them if JWs would allow government review their publications by censorship bureau and JW would no interfere with the state system. The moderate wing won and WT publications were available, but very limited amount. We had only couple prints per KH and we had to share. I am sure that State Police knew where they were printed and I do not ever remember that my mon nor aunt had visit from them. The hardliners did not want anything to do with the government and refused to submit to new light from Brooklyn. It ended with mutual excommunications and both groups were obtaining literature by own means from Austria. Brooklyn and Knorr sided with the moderate which left the hardliners to rely on old prints. The schism supposed to heal in 1990, when both groups merged, but it was never fully done-deal. The hardliners had to depend on very very very old light like Harp of God, and other interwar publications. My KH and my elders were under moderate groups approved by Brooklyn, but I had run in the 1980's into these people who created their community made up mostly from their own extensive families.
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Pets aren't people, says speaker at Regional Convention. Fido and Mimi better watch out! And instead of drinking wine or beer go do some gardening or play golf.
by oppostate ina big discussion driving back from the regional convention about what exactly was meant about pets.. the warning was obvious to me.
don't get pets, they cost time and money and you would do better to spend your time and money supporting the organization and going in field service.. as to the wine and beer, because the bro during his soliloquy admitted that the first thing he would like to do is relax after a hectic day at work with a glass of wine or beer, his conscience was traumatized.
however he came up with a perfect idea, he'd go tend the garden (obviously a solution for a married bro) or hit some golfballs at the driving range (maybe he's not married).. maybe jesus should have told the wine guzzlers at cana to sober up and go till the fields.. .
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I like having my kitty around. He is a hybrid between asian bengal and serval, so he is a bit wild and I do not recommend it to people who have kids and do not have a time for him. He is very intelligent, opens every closet doors so we have to child proof all cabinets. We play hide and seek, and he likes to chase me. I take him on walk around the house, I have a decent size backyard, so we can play there. He never goes out unsupervised. Generally in my KH nobody had pets except us and one woman who was an childless elder wife and cat hoarder. She was living on cottage by forest surrounded by pack of semi-ferral cats. WT feels that animals takes time and dedication that should be used for a field service. I consider my cat as my family member. I like when my mom calls him my little boy, it is so funny.
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I never realized that Hitler's persecution of the Witnesses was worse than that of the Jews
by ThomasCovenant in'the terrible persecution of jehovahs witnesses by hitler, worse than that he inflicted on the jews, took place.
'' wt 1966 15th oct page 635.
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QuestioningEverything, many JWs did suffer, there is no denial on it. We had couple concentration camp survival in our KH. Even secular press and WWII research will tell that JWs were persecuted for their faith and killed for it. However, it was never black and white issue as some JWs did spent time in prison, not in extermination camps and other served as servants for high-ranking Nazi officials like Reinhard Heydrich. Imagine how 15 Jehovah witnesses working as a cooks and housecleaning living in chateau outside Prague deep in occupied territory which was well stacked, fed, and void of armed conflict until 1945. They did daily chores, while the Mastermind of Holocaust was planning a Final Solution. Not suprising when WWII ended some JWs were brought in front of people's court to face revolutionary justice for a Nazi collaboration. I have yet had to see any document of anyone to be convicted, but these accusations were there.
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I never realized that Hitler's persecution of the Witnesses was worse than that of the Jews
by ThomasCovenant in'the terrible persecution of jehovahs witnesses by hitler, worse than that he inflicted on the jews, took place.
'' wt 1966 15th oct page 635.
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On the Czech JW website there are some articles about JWs during WWII. Some of them got arrested and killed due their own stupidity like refusing wearing identification papers during martial law in 1942. They directly violated temporary laws where such punishment carried a deathl penalty within 24 hours. They wanted to play a martyr because they were told by Brooklyn than JWs do not need to wear identification papers.
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favourite words...in any language
by new hope and happiness ini mean " courting" certainley sounds more dignified than " hanging out with a new squeeze".
" comely" is a word i think should be used more often".
i am going to try and use " jabberwockey" in a sentece today.. anyway do you have any favourite words, in any language?.
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some words that I been using with my spouse:
- rednecky - looking too redneck taste like
- diapperwear - shorts or briefs that look like wearing diapers
- meatballish - describing a fat person
- ogrish - describing an ugly person
- shrekoff - place of too many ugly looking people like Shreks, usually when we go out
- meagera - evil, nasty woman
- buran - from czech which means a redneck
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Pets aren't people, says speaker at Regional Convention. Fido and Mimi better watch out! And instead of drinking wine or beer go do some gardening or play golf.
by oppostate ina big discussion driving back from the regional convention about what exactly was meant about pets.. the warning was obvious to me.
don't get pets, they cost time and money and you would do better to spend your time and money supporting the organization and going in field service.. as to the wine and beer, because the bro during his soliloquy admitted that the first thing he would like to do is relax after a hectic day at work with a glass of wine or beer, his conscience was traumatized.
however he came up with a perfect idea, he'd go tend the garden (obviously a solution for a married bro) or hit some golfballs at the driving range (maybe he's not married).. maybe jesus should have told the wine guzzlers at cana to sober up and go till the fields.. .
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My pets are my family member. I talk to my bengal kitty like he can understand me. I see them as part of my life. We had a cat that died after 18 years. Last time I was so sad was when my biological father passed away. I miss him even with my addiction. My cat is there when I walk to home, he welcomes me and stands on his back paws on the windows and wiggling his tail. He follows me around the house. He shows me a love and affection, something I have NEVER experienced among my KH members.