My JW aunt died around 2000 with a belief that she will be resurrected shortly. Earthly resurrection is one the biggest nonsense many Christian faiths in consideration of finite space and resources on this planet.
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They continue to drop like flies
by suavojr inyes, the jws continue to bleed their young ones, so far in my local kh 3 were dfd, one girl just turned 18 this month and packed her bags and said goodbye to the cult and her cultish parents, another young 18 year old man decided to have a non-jw girlfriend and decided to stop attending and is no longer a witness.
they continue to leave and wt leaders dont give a damn.
they dont do anything to help kids be successful and live a healthy life.. .
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kaik
I am not sure how is world wide, but in the 1990's majority who left WT cult in Czechoslovakia were males in their mid and late 20's as a result of flip flopping doctrine regarding alterantive service. Based on the census, median age there for JW is 38.5 years. Considering life expectancy and family ties, their number can remains the same for the next 45 years. For the exodus to be deep and structurally profound, it have to be done in mass, and have to take several generations of JW out of the Borg. Because people stream out of it every year does not mean the organization is dying.
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WATCHTOWER on revelation's MYSTERY GREAT BABYLON, And your view about it
by gggolovkin ini think wt interpretation about the rev.
mystery great babylon is too general, saying that is all false religion..... from reading revelation, it looks more specific because it says, it is the mother, ( maybe origin or root ).... what's your view ?
thank u and hoping for ur replies.
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kaik
The Babylon of Revelation was Rome. Elaine Pagels who is an expert on the Gospels and 1st century Christianity also said in her book "Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation" that it was Rome. There is not really much sense to associate provincial impoverished city in Judea like Jerusalem with wealthy cities full of merchants like was Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch. For 1st century Jews who witnessed destruction of their province and capital, the comparison to Rome made a sense as it was seen similar what Babylonians had done hundreds of years earlier.
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BEING SHUNNED
by JOHNROSS93 inafter almost 40 years of being shunned by close family members, it never gets easier.
my own mother is under the spell of the "organization" and won't even write to me.
for a long time i sent her things - cards, news articles of interest, jokes, etc - i finally gave up.
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The woman would never talk to her grandchildren because her son was DF. She will just walk by and pretend that she does not see them. She was one the most active pioneer and would cover large area in day. She died alone while her six year old grandson was wondering why granny would not talk to him when they met on the street of very small city.
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I never realized that Hitler's persecution of the Witnesses was worse than that of the Jews
by ThomasCovenant in'the terrible persecution of jehovahs witnesses by hitler, worse than that he inflicted on the jews, took place.
'' wt 1966 15th oct page 635.
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Prologos, the JW suffered for truth that had since changed. The WT didn not really cared about their plight nor fate. They were sacrificed pawns for martyrdom like early Christians who refused to obey Roman Laws often not related to anything religious like signing documents under the bust of the document.
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Demons - Possession - Dreams & Witnesses
by objectivetruth ini would like to get some opinions from you all.. .
have you known a lot of witnesses that have dealt with demon issues?
have you personally dealt with problems with demons?
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kaik
JWs have unhealthy obsession and fascination of demons. They believe in them more than any other group I have encountered. In my Czechoslovakia, I had run into such ridiculous claims done by witnesses:
- Demons cause arousal for males during night
- Elder told me that demon wanted to play a soccer with him and when he was alone the soccer ball started mysteriously bounced. He got rid off the ball.
- Sister claimed that surrealistic painting she inherited was a self-portrait of the demon. She had hard time to burn it and insisted that the picture was jumping from the fireplace and made strange shreiking sounds. Yeah for real!.
- Demons have caused for gay men to enjoy homosexual sex.
- Demon attempted to atack an elder during the field service. Elder walked into something and crack his head...in the countryside
- Demons can be heared in every music, even classical. One brother was DF for disagreeing, he was playing instrument in the local state opera performing mostly baroque music
- In the 1980's some brothers were attacked by demons when a bookshelves fall on them during book study, injuring severals. The possibility that bookshelve was not properly mounted into the wall was immediatelly dismissed.
Jehovah witnesses put so much power into the hands of the demons that you ask where are the angles... Blank stares....
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BEING SHUNNED
by JOHNROSS93 inafter almost 40 years of being shunned by close family members, it never gets easier.
my own mother is under the spell of the "organization" and won't even write to me.
for a long time i sent her things - cards, news articles of interest, jokes, etc - i finally gave up.
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I have my own family, and they made their choice. Over past 20 years, my sibling emailed me couple times, and I had only ONE phone call. It got bit better lately as they do see the flip flop, but the time gone cannot be changed. I grew up without knowing much my nieces and nephews. At least I have close relationship with mom, but she was not talking to me for couple years. Sometimes people have to accept the fact that they will never get their family back. My aunt shunned my DF cousin until she died 25 years later. One woman in KH that I knew since I was a toddler never dealt with any of her grandchildren once her son was DF for sexual conduct with another woman and made her pregnant. She until her death would not even say a word to her several grandchildren who were living in vey small town and often would call grandma on the street. She would just turn her head away and pretended she would not know them. She is dead. WT will destroy relationship among family and they do not get repeared. I know it is painfull, but I have my family and friends who were there for me when I needed them. I realize that blood relationship are sometimes disfunctional, but while I could not choose my birth family, I did choose my in-law one.
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Online Higher Education
by SonoftheTrinity insince the faithful and discreet slave class now opposes higher education because it allegedly brings with it 'bad association', i wonder what their take is on online education.
let's remember that distance education was pioneered by fundamentalist saudi arabia and apartheid south africa for the very reasons that the jehovah's witnesses criticize higher education.
my wife is one of the faithful and i fear for our kids future, that they will see no point in keeping their grades up.
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Villagegirl, I have not read all the posts here, but my understanding from the a few at the start, that they were talking about college education, which is adult oriented, nothing mentioned about children. Generally people are adults when they take classes at the university.
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Delete Personal Messages
by Maranatha ini've never been on a website that doesn't allow you to delete your own personal messages.
why can we not do that on this site?
what are your motives in keeping our personal messages?
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Maranatha, you make several false assumptions in which you think:
- Everyone who does not agree with your views is atheist
- Everyone who does not believe in Christianity is atheist
- Not everyone who went from WT cult became atheist, but on opposite to your opinion some became even more radical Christian
- Nonbelievers should not post on exJW cult site.
One problem with internet is annonimity which allows to people to hide behind it and insult. I have seen and experienced antisemtic remarks, seen misogynistic and homophobics posts. Some people will say these words online but are shit scared to say to anyone in the face. The faceless JWN and other websites provides for them a way to ventilate.
Many of us who were associated with WT and Christianity in general made a step to disasociate with false and often irrational beliefs that have not even foundation in the Bible. Do you believe in origianl sin? Do you even know that Jews and early Christians until 4th century did not share such view? Do you think why anyone like myself who past 20 years lives with extensive Jewish family and have many Jewish friends would desire to proselyte them for Jesus? What makes Christians so damn special over them and any other religion in this world? Absolutely nothing. In contrary to your post, I am a not atheist, I believe in God, but I cannot associate myself with Christian nonsense and false teaching of the Bible. Global Flood? Taking snake? Delusional John of Pathmos? If your faith needs these irrational beliefs, it is up to you to have them. However, not everyone needs them and share the same beliefs.
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Online Higher Education
by SonoftheTrinity insince the faithful and discreet slave class now opposes higher education because it allegedly brings with it 'bad association', i wonder what their take is on online education.
let's remember that distance education was pioneered by fundamentalist saudi arabia and apartheid south africa for the very reasons that the jehovah's witnesses criticize higher education.
my wife is one of the faithful and i fear for our kids future, that they will see no point in keeping their grades up.
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I have taken classes on campus and online for both undergrad and postgrad educations. I have not found much difference between them in quality, and both types of the educations were challenging. I did distance education at the state university and was satisfied with the quality of the courses. I have never experienced discrimination on job application regarding online and in class education. Having degree was all what mattered.