Posts by TTATTelder

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1984, Big Mother, and the Watchtower on freeminds2.org

by DS211 in

1984 and big motherby randall wattersno one thought much of the book when it was first published in 1949, nor, in fact, did it stir much attention for a number of years thereafter.

in the last two decades, however, the book1984 by george orwell has drawn a much greater reading audience.

orwell portrays a society brainwashed by political ideologies to the point where they are intolerant of any other mindset.

TTATTelder

So well thought out and true.

Thank you for posting it.

They brag about unity so much, but unity based on fear and lies and "doublethink" for miles - is no real unity at all.

Controlling mind games is not unity.

Tell the truth, GB, and see how much unity you have.

Be transparent about your finances and accounts and money flow and see how much brotherly unity you have.

Publish the minutes of your "spirit-directed" governing body meetings and see how much unity you have.

Include all of your past publications on the website online library and see how much unity you have.

You won't do any of this. Why? Because there is no unity. There is only fantasy perpetuated by deceit.

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Governing Body humility: crapping their pants and admitting it stinks

by Terry in

we've all heard the old saying:.

any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.

in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.

TTATTelder

Thanks BBV,

That at least gives us a rational explanation.

It's just that IBM doesn't tell you you will be killed in the not-too-distant future if you don't comply.

They don't claim to represent the almighty creator of the universe.

They don't threaten to completely shun you or take away your family and friends.

In fact I'm pretty sure if they did, they would have there butts handed to them in a courtroom.

Interesting the difference in latitude given for the label of religion.

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Governing Body humility: crapping their pants and admitting it stinks

by Terry in

we've all heard the old saying:.

any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.

in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.. presumably the prayer invokes holy spirit of jehovah.

TTATTelder

Good post Terry.

I have been thinking lately about the scripture at Heb. 6:18 where it is says "it is impossible for God to lie".

When this scripture is considered alongside the subject of "old light", it is hard to defend the GB.

Would the holy spirit (which is God's active force) guide the FDS/GB to come up with, debate over, pray over, send to writing dept, proofread, pray some more, edit, approve, and print millions of copies of, preach, and defend- A LIE ?!!

Certainly, God's holy spirit cannot lie if the God it is coming from cannot lie.

Then you consider the shunning policies, the apostate labelings, and all of the judgement that will be thrown around with not a small amount of self-righteousness in the defense of these lies; and the fact that these lies will be forced on millions of helpless "sheep" that Jesus (as head of the congregation) cares so deeply for according to the scriptures.

You have to answer this question - Who lied????? (somebody did)

Where did the stuff come from?

And that whole "they are just imperfect men" excuse doesn't hold water. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you speak for God (who cannot lie) and are directed by His Holy Spirit (which cannot lie) or you are imperfect men trying to find your way in a dark room. You can't be both at the same time and you can't be one yesterday and the other today.

I also have to ask this: Doesn't the claim to be spirit-directed and to be Jehovah's organization, to only turn around and spread falsehood, actually indirectly call God a liar?

Oh what web we weave.

** Same points as the Terry's OP - just wanted to rant.

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Today's Daily Text is a Convoluted Mess

by TTATTelder in

wednesday, december 11. his heart did not prove to be complete with jehovah.1 ki.

will we let solomons course be a warning example for us?

(1 ki.

TTATTelder

Here it is:

Wednesday, December 11

His heart did not prove to be complete with Jehovah.—1 Ki. 11:4.

Will we let Solomon’s course be a warning example for us? (1 Ki. 11:1-6) A sister might attempt to rationalize forming a romantic link that ignores God’s directive to marry “only in the Lord.” (1 Cor. 7:39) With similar rationalizing, one might share in extracurricular sports or clubs at school, underreport taxable income, or tell untruths when asked to reveal actions that could be embarrassing. The point is, Solomon must have used imperfect reasoning to get around what God commanded, and that same danger exists for us. Solomon had ignored God’s instructions, yet there is no indication that Jehovah quickly rejected him as king or strongly disciplined him. The Bible even relates that God granted his request for wisdom, and He also added riches. (1 Ki. 3:10-13) That accords with the fact that God realizes that we are imperfect humans, made from dust. (Ps. 103:10, 13, 14) Remember though: Our actions can have consequences now or perhaps down the line. w11 12/15 1:10, 14, 15

What does this stuff mean? It just goes around in circles.

"Don't you be bad like Solomon...of course he didn't catch any flack for it...er...he actually got a bunch of blessings...uh...but don't you do it....you could catch hell for it...pretty sure."

What do you guys think? Seriously. Is this bad writing , bad management, somebody intentionally writing crap, or am I missing something?

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Comment from my dad, "They are smarter than me."

by Faithful Witness in

my jw (converts of about 5 years) came over on thursday and ate a turkey dinner with us.

we didn't call it thanksgiving, but that was obviously what it was.

they were proud to give me my own copy of the new revised and improved nwt bible.

TTATTelder

That comment is something you hear a lot. It is a "shut down" of their thinking, so as to not have to "go there".

People were fooled by the GB and still want to believe since the alternative is unthinkable.

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Jehovah - the Ultimate Codependent

by Satanus in

jw
friends

he needs you to do his work for him.

he needs your complete and whole souled devotion.

he needs to be in the first place in peoples lives, ahead of their families and their own needs.

TTATTelder

When I read your post I automatically substitute org , fds, GB, etc for Jehovah because that's all I see now asking for these things.

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First post

by thedog1 in

jw
friends

this is a very strange thing for me to do.

i have been an active witness for over 25 years.

i currently serve as an elder and i conduct the watchtower study.

TTATTelder

Hey thedog1,

I feel your pain. I am a current elder myself. I too have a named position in the congregation. Here is my first post from about 2 months ago:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/262639/1/An-Elder-Reads-CoC#.Uo_TNdJgDao"

The generation teaching thing is huge for me. I made big life decisons based around their "old light", and so did many people I care deeply about. This latest twist along with the other so-called "new light" is beyond disturbing. Oh, and thanks for the apology - gotta love them manning up and taking responsibility for screwing with people's minds, plans, lives, and futures. Anyways...

All of this is extremely bizarre to deal with, but more and more people seem to be coming out of the ether. Welcome. Feel free to PM me.

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses keep track of field service hours?

by Faithful Witness in

i understand that they claim to have the responsibility to preach to every corner of the earth, so they can encourage armageddon to come quickly.

(matthew 24:14 "and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

what rationale do they have, for keeping track of their hours and literature placements?

TTATTelder

I have always been told it is for organizational purposes. Jehovah is a God of order. They kept detailed statistics in ancient Israel, so God's people have always kept organized records etc. etc.

Of course in the real world it is used as a measuring stick of "spirituality" aka - organizational loyalty. If you are sacrificing more time for the cause then you must believe in it more, have stronger loyalty and so forth. They reward people with highest hours/highest loyalty with more prominence in the group. At our last convention, almost all the people in the drama were pioneers.

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

TTATTelder

Keep it coming man. Stories like yours give us a view into the inner sanctum that is very rare and and eye-opening.

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Service Meeting Part about Sisters Wearing Head Coverings

by TTATTelder in

this week's service meeting had another part about women wearing head coverings.there's already been a post about it, but i would like some thoughts from the forum on the scripture referenced.

11: 3-10. i want to focus on verses 4-6. it says this (nnwt):.

"4)every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head shames his head; 5) but every woman who prays or prophesies+ with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head.

TTATTelder

Thanks for the replies everybody.

Thanks Blondie for the research.