Posts by TTATTelder

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

TTATTelder

Laika... the slips will be anonymous. We haven't met on how it will go down yet.

I assume everyone gets a slip and then drops it in the "time" box or something.

Our hall is paid for so we will be going down this road.

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

It wouldn't surprise me. When you have billions to manage and millions streaming in, you don't leave things to chance. These are not men of "faith" at the top of this organization. They have vested interests to protect.

Meeting with outside consultants wouldn't be that big of a deal whether they were witnesses or not. They would just be getting a professional's take on things and then proceed however they wanted.

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

TTATTelder

What about taking a vow to donate zero and no more? That way, if they use that "if you break a vow, you are sinning" crap, you simply say that you are not breaking your vow. You simply vowed to not donate anything at all, and if you donate anything, that would be breaking your vow and that would therefore be a sin. - WTWizard

I like that thought Wizard.

Putting zero is being honest about what I am willing to commit to.

I believe everyone should put zero to limit as much as possible how much money gets sent to their billion dollar accounts.

I do understand the sabotage angle of writing an amount and then not paying it, but I don't like the thought of raising the bar even for a few months sending the branch a larger amount of money until the local account dries up.

-TE

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A serving elder's take on the new "tithing" arrangement

by TTATTelder in

the gb can kiss my ass.. i'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.. hey here's a thought:.

you know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about?

well i'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!.

TTATTelder

The GB can kiss my ass.

I'm writing "0" on the little slip of paper they pass out.

Hey here's a thought:

You know that "widow's might" stuff they're always talking about? Well I'm pretty dang sure that the lady was giving from the heart not because she filled out some dumba$$ piece of paper pledging two small coins several months previous!

No principle to learn from obligatory giving. Just sayin'.

So take that... you little worthless branch lurkers. Report that to your "God-Appointed" mob bosses!

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The Circuit Overseer's mid week talk

by stuckinarut2 in

so the mid week talk from the co is making me feel ill..... he is going on about all the wonderful adjustments in the org and teachings, and just how clear and understandable they are....and saying that these truths make us more convinced that we have the truth!.

and that all these changes are evidence of love for the people in our territory... the truth is now so much clearer and easier to understand..... oh come on!!!!!!!!.

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!.

TTATTelder

We just had the CO recently also and I spoke to him immediately after he gave this part.

He avoided eye contact and didn't seeem to want to talk about how "wonderful" all the changes are once he got off the stage.

Some of these dudes know its crap. I think he is struggling with it. Good guy though.

How it must feel to dedicate yourself at that level and then wake up to the money-hoarding business that it really is.

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The reason the Society keeps everyone busy with "campaigns"

by stuckinarut2 in

im sure that many have had an experience where we try and keep little kids "occupied" while on a boring trip, such as a car ride or plane flight.. we come up with "games" like..."lets see how many green cars we can count", or "lets try and see who can sit still for the longest time".

"the winner gets a prize!".

obviously, until they are wise enough to cotton on, all we are doing is keeping them occupied to prevent them asking things like "are we there yet?!".

TTATTelder

The dubs are distracted by all the busywork and are punch-drunk from all the changes.

So the Spin Doctors are piling it on while they have them dazed and confused.

Plus...How dare a publisher question anything during this grand centennial year of 2014!

I mean we are having International Conventions, a never-before-seen JW.org campaign, maybe the last memorial, etc. etc.

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Is this new donation arrangement for real?

by nugget in

just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

TTATTelder

We should write NOOO! in the amount section.

It will look like you are writing zeros

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The reason the Society keeps everyone busy with "campaigns"

by stuckinarut2 in

im sure that many have had an experience where we try and keep little kids "occupied" while on a boring trip, such as a car ride or plane flight.. we come up with "games" like..."lets see how many green cars we can count", or "lets try and see who can sit still for the longest time".

"the winner gets a prize!".

obviously, until they are wise enough to cotton on, all we are doing is keeping them occupied to prevent them asking things like "are we there yet?!".

TTATTelder

I agree with the distraction thing.

I thought it was just to distract dubs from the 2014 embarrassment, but obviously they have more up their sleeve.

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What if Everyone Demaded Answers About Where the Money is and What it is Used For?

by TTATTelder in

what if right in the middle of rolling out their latest money-grabbing scheme, there was an uprising demanding financial transparency?.

i thought jehovah was a god of organization and numbers.

isn't that why we report time and have all these annual reports?.

TTATTelder

What if right in the middle of rolling out their latest money-grabbing scheme, there was an uprising demanding financial transparency?

I thought Jehovah was a God of organization and numbers. Isn't that why we report time and have all these annual reports?

Where's the Accounts Report from the the world headquarters of Jehovah's earthly organization ?

Aren't those some pretty freaking important numbers?

What are they hiding?

What about the net worth or financial statements of the Governing Body members and other top officials.

If they have taken a vow of poverty - prove it. Where is the openness and honesty?

I mean if they are going to ask for an income stream from congregations, shouldn't the congregations rightly expect a report of exactly what funds are coming in and going out and what the funds are specifically being used for?

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A farce elder here

by His Excellency in

just to share a little about me:.

i was recently appointed an elder, about 6 months ago now, and that is exactly two years after my awakenning, but funny that the appointment came also about 2 years after i had completely lost all faith in god and had been leading a full time anti-jw life .

makes you wonder the role of the holy spirit in the entire nomination or appointment process.. .

TTATTelder

Interesting take on things, but it won't last IMO.

I too am serving and am having big problems with it all. Going through the motions is crap, and what's worse, the more I hate it the more "privileges" the body wants to give me.

I have been doing the other plan of disallowing "lording it over" types - even involved in removing one from being an elder and formally counseling another.

I will not be able to do it forever. But like you, my home is connected to dubs, my work, immediate and extended family on both sides, friends, etc.

What a mess. I get completely depressed at times.

It's interesting on paper what you are doing. Playing the villian as opposed to the hero. I would imagine that would be heavy on the conscience, though, unless you have sociopathic tendencies.

Good luck to you.