Posts by TTATTelder

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Could There Be Another Mass Exodus From This Cult?

by mrquik in

jw
friends

it's happened before.

how much crap can any rational human being take before they just snap & walk away disgusted?.

TTATTelder

In your opinion, how many current Dubs would leave the Borg, or at least stop going/contributing/preaching/etc. if the disfellowshipping rule was eliminated? Like many others on this site, I do not believe the current numbers provided by the Borg, and I didn't believe them 20 years ago when I was an elder. Your thoughts kind sir? - DJS

Hard to say, but my first thought is the organization would be cut in half within 5 years.

It is the biggest control device they have. Eliminating it would open the door for an exit of current members and diminish their ability to hold on to new recruits

I don't know how much the numbers are inflated, but we know they are at least to some extent. In our hall, for instance, the secretary calls anybody that doesn't turn in time to try and convince them that maybe they forgot about informal witnessing to somebody and could turn in an hour (or 15 minutes if infirm/elderly).

Many will pick up the hint and "remember" an hour or two. The elders are motivated to do this so as to not get scolded by the CO when he comes by and sees 6 new "irregular" publishers.

Of course that stuff is nothing new.

Actually, I was surprised to see them report an increase in partakers this last year. I thought for sure they would lie before reporting an increase the year after the "annointed" were demoted. LOL

-TE

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Could There Be Another Mass Exodus From This Cult?

by mrquik in

jw
friends

it's happened before.

how much crap can any rational human being take before they just snap & walk away disgusted?.

TTATTelder

I think the basic loyalty level (to the GB) is dropping.

More JW's seem to know not to take things completely seriously coming out of the Watchtower. (doctrine could change next month)

Now I'm not saying that it's everybody, just a lot more seem to be waking up a bit.

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You don't hear out-and-out complaining of course because that is not allowed. But you see it in how they say things now. You see it in their body language.

There's a hint of frustration, a rolling of the eyes, an underlying, "Well I better look out for myself, then, since they don't have jack figured out."

It's not much, but its something.

And, again, they will have more time to think after this glorious 2014 year passes without anything significant to look back on other than down-sizing, increased control policies, and money grabs.

There is a lot of pressure on these International Conventions to provide a distracting spiritual parade.

People are impressed by crowds, so it will work to a certain extent, temporarily.

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The loyalty level is bleeding, though, under the surface.

Of course that explains the desperate grab at power, control, and money that is going on now.

I think the GB knows the jig is up (at least long-term). The shunning policies are the only thing slowing any bonifide exodus.

It will be a slow and agonizing death, unless there is a huge, public scandal.

It would be so cool if there was an Enron/Madoff type scandal to give all the doubters an excuse to run for the door!

-TE

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All this talk of Money

by zebagain in

would someone please layout for this simple soul what the wts is doing re 'donations' or 'pledges'.

is the box at the back of the kh to be done away with?.

TTATTelder

The kingdom hall construction box got done away with.

Its now a monthly congregation pledge that comes out of the Local box.

Congregations with loans have no loan "on paper" anymore but are supposed to continue sending in the loan payment or more. (how generous!)

Congregations basically can't have more than about 10 grand on hand. (may choose to have less - how loving!)

All the rest goes to branch for "the greater good worldwide".

So if you have $200,000 in the bank saving for a new hall, you are expected to cut a check to the branch for $190,000+ by the end of the month. If you don't comply, you will find out what the 11th plague was that Jehovah had lined up for Egypt as a backup.

That's the 2 minute version.

-TE

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Is JW.org blocking this site?

by Comatose in

tried accessing a picture linked and got this... access deniedyou don't have permission to access "http://assets.jw.org/assets/m/w14/20140315/w14_20140315.art/2014205_univ_lsr_lg.jpg" on this server.. reference #18.39e24cae.1400781585.632ce346.

TTATTelder

When I first saw that photo I thought someone drew the beard on the boy. LOL

These cornball "sales brochure" pics of dub life are laughable.

-TE

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LOL!!!! HA!!HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

by DATA-DOG in

we get so engrossed in discussions during the family worship evening that it often goes on till late at night if i dont stop my family, .

hahahahahahahahahahah hehehe hahahah!!!!!!.

lol!!!

TTATTelder

Yeah cool video. I like that song too.

I didn't realize it was Kim Cattrall from Sex and the City that was in Mannequin.

-TE

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LOL!!!! HA!!HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

by DATA-DOG in

we get so engrossed in discussions during the family worship evening that it often goes on till late at night if i dont stop my family, .

hahahahahahahahahahah hehehe hahahah!!!!!!.

lol!!!

TTATTelder

Wow that just happened in like the last 1/2 hour.

The branch needs to quit paying attention to apostate sites!

They need to turn the other cheek.

LOL

-TE

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2014! Why are we still here? 100 years since Jesus came back according to JWs.

by tenene in

jw
friends

hello, i have been offline for quite some time and i know this might have been discussed a great deal, but its burning me, hence i am raising this issue again.

this is also to help the newbies and lurkers.

i thought the 1914 generation would have long passed by at this point and time, and believe they have come up with a new spin to the whole generation issue.

TTATTelder

2014! Why are we still here? 100 years since Jesus came back according to JWs.

The modern jdub excuse goes something like this:

"Well we don't know what Jehovah's timetable is, but we must be soooooooo close now!"

"You know the last days in Noah's time lasted 120 years..."

"We just have to wait on Jehovah...but this old system just can't last much longer!"

etc etc

-TE

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Could the WT have paid of large loans when it sold NY properties?

by StephaneLaliberte in

it seems that everyone is taking for granted that the sociaty has made 1 billion in profit.

could anyone tell me why it would not be a posibility that the society had a large number of mortgages attached to these properties?

wouldn't that explain the latest monney grab from the congregations?.

TTATTelder

insidethekh:

can you do the math?

they paid peanuts compared with what they get now for the real estate in Brooklyn. They bought lots of it when the market was bad and a lot of those properties were in very bad shape,.. so very cheap.

They sold/sell it when the market is way up and the buildings are in excellent condition.

That math has nothing to do with the possibility of outstanding loans mentioned in the OP.

I don't know if that info can be found in public records. It probably can.

The public info about this new luxury property in Wales says no mortgage.

I personally suspect that the borg is flush with cash, is downsizing, putting away as many millions as possible for the future support of themselves, and putting that money in multiple corp's spread out internationally and as out-of-reach as possible from lawsuits.

It seems that their financial "fears" are dominating the decision making. Are these fears justified? - only time will tell.

-TE

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LOL!!!! HA!!HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

by DATA-DOG in

we get so engrossed in discussions during the family worship evening that it often goes on till late at night if i dont stop my family, .

hahahahahahahahahahah hehehe hahahah!!!!!!.

lol!!!

TTATTelder

You can still right-click and select "open image in new tab"

at least with the chrome browser that is.

-TE

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LOL!!!! HA!!HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

by DATA-DOG in

we get so engrossed in discussions during the family worship evening that it often goes on till late at night if i dont stop my family, .

hahahahahahahahahahah hehehe hahahah!!!!!!.

lol!!!

TTATTelder

Singing "kingdom songs" while camping?

Uhhhh....hell no.

First of all, I hate to tell them, but I have never seen JW's camp without alcohol present.

Actually, now that I think about it, some of the jdub camping scenes I have been a part of are the closest thing to a normal religous experience that can be had in the borg.

Big witness groups have gone camping before and had casual-dressed "sunday meetings" around the campfire. They were sometimes conducted by non-servants with elders in the audience. Comments were more open and honest. It was almost like seeing what a meeting could be like if "big brother" wasn't looking over your shoulder.

The picture above is cornball crap.

-TE