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  Breaking News :Charity Commission takes Wathtower to Tribunal in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. child-abuse

  breaking news :charity commission takes watchtower to charity tribunal in britain.

  two weeks ago we run an article about the abuse case in moston manchester congregation .it would seem that the coverage from the main local newspaper manchester evening news and two national newspapers has alarmed the charity commission the official regulator for charities in england and wales and now for the first time !

  they opened an official investigation on both charities ,the local one ,moston congragation and the central one jehovah's witnesses of britain indicating that in their eyes these two are connected and liable for any misconduct .this is the time for a concentrated campaign from all of us to inform the charity commission why the watchtower should not be a called a charity .the article above has a link for the charity commission complaint page .follow it!.

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  Of course the simple thing for the Org to do is tell BoE's to report pedophilia accusations straight to the police, and deal with the accused - if necessary - after the police/court have done their job. - Searcher

  Since they are not doing the simple thing, doesn't that in itself tell us how prevalent the problem is in the congregations?

  The only reason to not do this is for PR reasons. They wouldn't worry about the PR unless it was a widespread problem.

  So they choose what's best for "appearances" instead of what's best for the children - instead of doing the right thing. Obviously they are not confident in their God's blessing if they just do the right thing. They are not leaving things in Jehovah's hands.

  They put their faith in lawyers instead of their supposed God Jehovah.

  2 Tim 3:5 NNWT - " having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power, and from these turn away."

  -TE
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  Who Will the Circuit Overseers "Report" to Now???

  by RubaDub in

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  2. friends

  i still do not understand the new structure at this point.. there has to be something between thousands of co's and the gb.

  i know there were zone overseers that the do's reported to.. i have spoken to a couple of elders i can talk to frankly and they both said they have no idea.. rub a dub.

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  While the CO will have more perceived power and thus be treated differently and may even throw his weight around more because of the new crown, I actually think it's not much different than it has been for several years.

  Here is what I mean. For probably the past 10 years or more, decisions about appointments have been 100% by what the CO decided in the congregations I have attended. This has been the case even on occasions where the entire body wanted to appoint a man. The CO said no. He didn't get appointed.

  There are always exceptions to the rule, but 99% of the time this is the case all over from what I have heard.

  In other words the branch has been rubber stamping the appointments for years.

  DO's have just been basically on tour putting on circuit assemblies. CO's rarely had interaction with them.

  -TE
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  I want to know. Don't you?

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some of you are probably a bit tired of me promoting these history books, but im doing it again.

  1. nelson barbour: the millenniums forgotten prophet.

  de vienne is not.

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  TTATTelder

  I bought the Nelson Barbour book. Looking forward to digging in to it soon. Thx.

  -TE
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  FAITH is another word for OPINION

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i strive to understand things by standing in a different spot and looking again.

  i like to recontextualize things everybody seems to accept automatically and comfortably.. why?

  to be able to see it for the first time, again.. .

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  As a side point, where I am from in my corner of the U.S, when people say "So and so is a man of faith or a women of faith" they typically are saying that he or she is a religious person with morals or ethics. It is their way of saying that the person is a good/decent individual.

  Personally I think saying "So and so is a person of true character or ethics" would carry more weight.

  In many circles religious people are assumed to be more ethical because the person supposedly answers to a prescribed moral code.

  We on this forum typically know that a person can be far more ethical as a non-religious person, but that is not necessarily the norm.

  I think people assume (especially religious people) that if they dont know what your "moral code" is then you either must not have one (heathen) or have one that is inferior. This is ignorance at its best of course, but there are a lot of ignorant people out there.

  Interesting post Terry.

  I get what you're saying about "Person of Opinion" in actuality meaning more than "Person of Faith" because at least opinions are real. When I read "Person of Opinion", though, I hear "Opinionated" and my feeble little brain can't get past it. LOL. Oh well maybe I'm just tired. Night Night.

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  UNDERSTANDING money and the history of the Watch Tower

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the watch tower corp. is changing a long-standing policy in regard to donations which had been in place a long, long time.. to understand the original policies (about money) and the changed (new policy) we have to take a peek into the past.. .

  i don't want to bog you down in history.

  you can research on your own using google.. here are salient facts.. _________________________________________________.

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  I have seen the pictures of the new digs for the WT and they do seem flashy to me. - nonjwspouse

  I haven't seen any pics yet, but with the new luxury-property purchase in Wales recently, I can believe it.

  They will probably not be able to resist throwing their billions around in the coming years, especially with the constant reduction of expenses.

  -TE
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  UNDERSTANDING money and the history of the Watch Tower

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the watch tower corp. is changing a long-standing policy in regard to donations which had been in place a long, long time.. to understand the original policies (about money) and the changed (new policy) we have to take a peek into the past.. .

  i don't want to bog you down in history.

  you can research on your own using google.. here are salient facts.. _________________________________________________.

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  Thanks Terry.

  I never knew Rutherford was Russell's lawyer. I guess I missed that along the way.

  This organization has been "big business" from the start.

  They have done a pretty good job of not getting too flashy with it (besides Rutherford's mansion and cars), but it is always a focus. The GB like the security of sitting atop billions today, and so do all the other high ranking staffers.

  -TE
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  How do you shut your mind down so you can get a good night sleep???

  by jam in

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  2. friends

  the more i learn about jw's the harder it is.

  to sleep at night.

  the wife hit the pillow and within 5 min.. she is snoring.

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  Nyquil...

  I usually read myself to sleep, but some nights I do the Nyquil thing. I have some sinus issues so the cold meds aren't a bad thing for me.

  I know the feeling though. Take care...

  -TE
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  A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

  by Apognophos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

  i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

  my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

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  Thanks Kate
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  A few thoughts on the District, um, Regional... sigh....

  by Apognophos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't even know what the bloody event is called anymore.

  i think it's still a district convention until it goes to two days, isn't it?

  my convention program leaflet just says "convention of jehovah's witnesses", seemingly intentionally avoiding the change in wording.

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  Apog,

  Thanks so much for the play by play! I have been waiting for a nice overall take on this convention. Very funny read as well.

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  I'm going to the convention soon. I know it is going to be a spectacle. It will be a setback I'm sure temporarily with the wifey, but I think my progress with her is farther than they can completely reverse, especially with my "balanced" take on the program that I will be sharing incrementally.

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  I get what you're saying in part 6 about Brains Not Wanted. Thinkers are a liability for them. They want 100% blind-faith'ers. They want cheerleaders. It's like in any other business. They want to attract and keep "their customer".

  Their customer is the "low information voter" (political lingo) or maybe a better term would be "low information worshiper."

  Their customer could also be someone who has been through something so traumatic in their life that they can't bear to face reality without the hand-holding of the JW belief system. False hope is still hope for some people. They don't want to know they're wrong even if they are.

  OTOH...Thinkers are sceptical. We want proof. We want to be convinced. We want a quality explanation. We want to lose the debate in order to be sold on the new idea. These guys don't even allow a debate. Actually they punish you for having one. They just plain ole - don't want us in the audience, period. The quicker they can run us off the better.

  On some level, I think it's funny that we have them scared.

  -TE
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  I just noticed this tactic

  by problemaddict in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in reading terrys latest post, if made me think of something that exists and many of us have experienced but i have not really put into a logical thoughts process before.

  in terrys 4 facts everyone should know about jw's, the second one referrs to the walsh trial where unity is said to be more important than truth, in no uncertain terms.. this made me think about how one would bring up this fact.

  my mind wandered to the beginning of my fade, when inevitably, many of us open up our mouths and say too much.

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  Yeah I have seen this tactic used.

  Typical thought stopper.

  If it came from apostates then its poison...

  I have wondered recently what would happen if you replied:

  "I got the information from Satan.

  Jesus refuted Satan.... so.... surely you can too....right?"

  What's crazy is - I really think the dubs are more scared of apostates than Satan! How nuts is that!

  -TE