Posts by TTATTelder

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Is the Society trying to self sabotage?

by truthseeker in

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i'm not going to list all the changes here that have happened in 2014, most of you who frequent the boards know about them.. in reference to anthony morris' talk, i can't help feel that the organization is behaving so abnormally out of character for itself that it is bewildering even to ex jws.. cultish behavior is perfectly normal for cults, but whats happened this year is so far out of whack it beggars belief.. what do they think they are doing?

are they psyching jws up for some major announcement?.

i can't help but feel that something really strange is going on, this does not feel like the regular "special announcements" followed by articles in the watchtower.. .

TTATTelder

Totally agree BU2B...

-TE

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Is the Society trying to self sabotage?

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

i'm not going to list all the changes here that have happened in 2014, most of you who frequent the boards know about them.. in reference to anthony morris' talk, i can't help feel that the organization is behaving so abnormally out of character for itself that it is bewildering even to ex jws.. cultish behavior is perfectly normal for cults, but whats happened this year is so far out of whack it beggars belief.. what do they think they are doing?

are they psyching jws up for some major announcement?.

i can't help but feel that something really strange is going on, this does not feel like the regular "special announcements" followed by articles in the watchtower.. .

TTATTelder

I think the "mainstreaming" is more marketing and PR than anything else.

It's a veneer to lure people in and keep people, that are in, confused or dazzled by the "shiny" objects.

What we saw from AMIII this weekend is a glimpse at what this organization is at its core. Behind the shiny veneer this organization is abusive and tyrannical.

It will and does eat its own young. Comments in recent and past watchtowers alluding to killing apostates, the constant threats of death at Armageddon to any who aren't completely in line, the fanning of the class envy flames, etc. etc. These notions all tell quite a darker tale than will ever be seen in a Caleb cartoon.

The GB live in a delusional bubble of imagined authority over all humans on earth. They are entitlted to your devotion. "God says so" according to them. They will eventually weed out any who do not worship them and regularly feed the beast (organization). They want a leaner organization of uber-followers. They do not want murmurers and fence sitters.

In the meantime they will continue to cut overhead and seek additional avenues of revenue. In other words run their money-making business.

-TE

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Is the WTS effectively 'pimping out' sisters?

by Simon in

i can't remember the topic with the discussion about the talk where they suggested that sisters should only consider ministerial servants as potential marriage partners but think about the implications more.. are they trying to use the potential affections of sisters to enourage brothers to do more and work harder?.

isn't this a form of 'pimping out' the sisters by limiting their attention to the people contributing to them?.

it seems to cross a line to me but i guess it's not vastly different to "only marry another jw".. what do you think?.

TTATTelder

Real message:

**Reach Out - Get Booty**

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P.S. Don't reach out - we will convince the young pretty sisters that you are demonic.

-TE

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My messagew to my mother post "branch talk".

by problemaddict 2 in

my wife went out of curiosity.

she is out enough to where it doesn't affect our marriage, but she keeps it a secret from her family and others.

she is beginning to understand what it means to give over your thinking to an organization, and once she works that out there will be no going back.. so she went to the branch visit.

TTATTelder

Man it's crazy how they double-down so quick and resort to judgment and damnation. Nothing logical. Nothing level-headed or calm. All over-reaction desperate emotional drama.

judgemental tone of this ranting moron

6 words sent her over the edge. That's how fragile the whole belief system is. She went straight to "my hope", "my loving father", " loving international brotherhood", "God's kingdom", "Jesus ransom Sacrifice". ....Good grief.

You see how indocrinated they are to believe the GB members are connected to God at the hip. You speak even remotely negative about them you are disrespecting God himself.

So sad. Sorry you have to deal with this. Thanks for sharing.

-TE

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New pick-up lines for non Ministerial Servants

by Quarterback in

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friends

here they are straigt from the presses of bethel.

a new publication for those trying to date and get that young sister to pay attention to him.

here are the top 10:.

TTATTelder

I like 10 and 5. lol ...

The dorky horny MS's will have a field day now.

"Come sit on my lap little young sister. We can talk about how a future marriage with me is guaranteed to be successful."

-TE

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How does forum moderation work?

by Simon in

we've had a few comments lately that show that people don't seem to fully comprehend the way moderation works or the point of it.. if someone point something that other people don't like or agree with then that is a difference of opinion.

live with it.. if someone posts something that is crude, insulting, contains bad language etc.

then it violates the posting guildelines and can and should be removed.. now, sometimes we won't immediately notice a post that should be removed.

TTATTelder

Hey you can't please everybody Simon. I say don't sweat it and do what you think is best.

I appreciate this forum and have enjoyed having it available.

-TE

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November 2015 article- "Boxers or Briefs? The Biblical position on girding your loins"

by Separation of Powers in

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there is no room for self-expression in a cult.

this weekend's condemnation fest proved that.

looking forward to the november 2015 article, "boxers or briefs?

TTATTelder

Well it wouldn't be the first Cult to issue approved underwear.

That mormon stuff is just plain weird.

-TE

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Over 1,000,000 in attendance and you are worried about tight pants?

by Separation of Powers in

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friends

you know, rarely in the history of the org has a group this large congregated to hear from "mother.

" they incessantly speak of the huge group that met at yankee stadium in 1958...the over 250,000 that congregated to be instructed by jehovah.

but over the weekend, there were over 1,000,000 people excited to hear some type of direction, some type of encouragement, something to help them hang on "just a little longer.".

TTATTelder

this GB will destroy this ORG....they need no help from anyone to do that! ...SOP

Amen to that.

It's hard to imagine anything being more damaging than their own choices lately. I am happy JWFacts.com and this forum sit waiting for the new doubters to stumble on after each of the GB's missteps.

If you walk away from that Tony III talk and think he is one of only 7 chosen men in all the earth used by God to give "food at the proper time", then you are one sick indoctrinated puppy.

-TE

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"Between the Lines" of the Branch Visit

by TTATTelder in

i am starting this thread to discuss the financial points i picked up during the branch visit.. firstly - as an elder we were told that all donations from the event - local and worldwide work were to be sent to the branch.

first of all - could the money-grab be any more obvious given these instructions?

is it even legal to take funds a person gave to a non-profit for one specific purpose (pay the light bill) to allocate them for another (www slush fund)?

TTATTelder

Data-Dog - freaking hilarious!

OneEyedJoe - the GB resume comment was priceless!

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Just sad to me that these money grubbing, corporate con artists fool so many people. It's not uncommon for non-profits to engage in money making activities. Just own up to it. Don't pretend you are building "much-needed" translation offices. Just say you are investing in real estate to support your work. The lies demand suspicion. People cover up when they have something to hide. Duh. This whole thing (the religion) is a dispicable scam.

Where is the financial transparency? Congregations have accounts reports. Why don't branch offices disclose their financial records? Where is the "Accounts Report" from Brooklyn? Again, people cover up when they have something to hide. Otherwise you would welcome inspection. These are not just private manueverings. This organization reeks of criminal activity.

It would not surprise me to find, upon a close investigation, that there is money laundering, indictment-level cover-ups regarding molestation and other crimes, misappropriation of funds, fraud, etc., etc.

If you think I am being irresponsible with these allegations, then I suggest this organization be more forthcoming with their financial dealings. When your books are secret you invite accusation.

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I know that the combined donations from the box sent off to Brooklyn during this branch visit event may not bother people like it does me, but consider this:

Elderly sister so-and-so always gives 20.00 to the local contribution box each Sunday to help with the light bill, maintenance of the hall, etc. Well low-and-behold this weekend comes along that features a special branch visit broadcast and no normal Sunday meeting. So she gives her regular 20.00 donation to the local box as she would normally do on a typical Sunday. Now what happens? Did the sister support the local light bill like she intended? No. Without her permission or knowledge, her donation is taken and sent off to pay for who knows what in New York.

Again - for the umpteenth time - when people are straight they deal straight - when they cover up and deceive it means they have something to hide. Why didn't they just announce well in advance that all contributions regardless if local or WWW would be collected and sent to the branch in Brooklyn during this special event?

They had enough forethought to write a secret letter to the congregation elders about scooping the local donations. So why not have the forethought to make an announcemen alerting the "friends" about this?

The answer is obvious of course. They wanted not only the money put in the WWW box but also the additional funds taken in the local box for themselves. This is dishonest, greedy, and surely illegal since they are taking this local money on false pretense.

I really wish they would be taken down legally by the authorities and exposed for what they are.

Thanks for allowing my rant...

- TE

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"Between the Lines" of the Branch Visit

by TTATTelder in

i am starting this thread to discuss the financial points i picked up during the branch visit.. firstly - as an elder we were told that all donations from the event - local and worldwide work were to be sent to the branch.

first of all - could the money-grab be any more obvious given these instructions?

is it even legal to take funds a person gave to a non-profit for one specific purpose (pay the light bill) to allocate them for another (www slush fund)?

TTATTelder

I am starting this thread to discuss the financial points I picked up during the branch visit.

Firstly - As an elder we were told that all donations from the event - local and worldwide work were to be sent to the branch. First of all - could the money-grab be any more obvious given these instructions? Is it even legal to take funds a person gave to a non-profit for one specific purpose (pay the light bill) and allocate them for another (www slush fund)? It certainly isn't honest or ethical.

What's funny, though, is our hall was so stunned by the Tony Turd debacle that they hardly donated anything. The combined donations were like 10 bucks or something. It was hilarious.

This is the bigger point I wanted to share about the actual Branch Visit broadcast:

They mentioned by name REGIONAL TRANSLATION OFFICES.

They even referred to them at one point as RTO's. Like that's the cool way of saying it. LOL.

They said they have something like 276 RTO projects in the works that consist of new construction and/or remodels.

On this forum we already know about some suspicious real eastate purchases that have been labelled "For Translation Work". So as of this branch visit this weekend, they have made public their full intention to buy and develop real estate under this bogus "Regional Translation Office" banner.

*Newsflash* - translation can be done anywhere! This is obviously a blatent excuse to buy more real estate of various sizes and locations and categories in order to milk the R &F for free renovation and construction labor. Then flipping for profit of course.

I guess we could have seen it coming.... They are not content with just flipping kingdom halls, branch offices, and assembly halls. They will now be buying office buildings, residential homes, vacation property, you name it. All under the guise of "Regional Translation Offices".

The real estate empire expands.

-TE