Wow! Ok. So your saying you were young and naive and left the BS because of your parents/grandparents?
Can you direct me towards information Revelation 19 being figurative? It speaks of the birds gorging themselves on the flesh of free and slave, large and small. It seems most mainstream Christians believe this is literal and is when Jah will kill everyone not faithful.
Love your site!
@ ptt7000:
You left the BS to become a JW? Why the heck did you do that? Were you convinced by something particularly? Because hell, the whole ransom for all strikes me as making complete sense. Again, why would faithful JWs make it through tribulation just to be tested again at 1,000 years?
Hi everyone,
So I have made contact with the Bible Students (Russell's followers). Nice people. Teachings seem a lot more reasonable than JWs.
They believe that Jesus died for all (Hebrews 2:9). They believe that armageddon is not where any are destroyed, but when the wicked clergy & governments are removed. Pretty much everyone is pardoned their sin due to Christ's sacrifice.
Then, during the 1,000 year reign, everyone learns about God and chooses whether they want to serve him. Sounds very merciful.
Then the wicked, along with Satan, undergo second death (death forever).
They also believe the 144K are a special group of ones called from Earth that obtain a special prize. The "great crowd" is also Christians in heaven, though they constitute a mercy class. These ones missed the special prize to become one of the 144K, but God allows a place for them in Heaven.
I think that if most JWs knew these teachings, they would bail out of WT!
Any thoughts?
reasoning book says:.
*** rs p. 167 heaven ***.
do those of the great crowd referred to at revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?.
Thanks!
reasoning book says:.
*** rs p. 167 heaven ***.
do those of the great crowd referred to at revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?.
Phizzy:
Thanks.
Where does it say that the "Great Crowd" take advantage of Christ's blood in Revelation? That would help a lot! Thanks
reasoning book says:.
*** rs p. 167 heaven ***.
do those of the great crowd referred to at revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?.
Thanks y'all.
Yes, I have researched and see that the great crowd are in the inner temple. Thanks JWfacts!
But, the WT throws it for a loop when it says:
Reasoning Book says:
*** rs p. 167 Heaven ***
Do those of the “great crowd” referred to at Revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?
Revelation does not say of them, as it does of the 144,000, that they are “bought from the earth” to be with Christ on heavenly Mount Zion.—Rev. 14:1-3.
I have been having some discussions with the Bible Students regarding this and they still gotta get back to me with research. Is the great crowd also "bought" from earth, even though it only mentions that the 144K are?
reasoning book says:.
*** rs p. 167 heaven ***.
do those of the great crowd referred to at revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?.
Reasoning Book says:
*** rs p. 167 Heaven ***
Do those of the “great crowd” referred to at Revelation 7:9, 10 also go to heaven?
Revelation does not say of them, as it does of the 144,000, that they are “bought from the earth” to be with Christ on heavenly Mount Zion.—Rev. 14:1-3.
Anyone have a response to this? WT is trying to debunk thought that of Rev. 7:9,10 is not in heaven.
Wouldn't "great crowd" in heaven also need to be "bought from earth".
can someone give me the latest doctrine on whether jws believe any people ignorant of the 'truth' or not preached to will be also spared?.
or, is it anyone that is not in the ark of the org dead?.
need reference showing current teaching and not the lie at jw.org faq about salvation!.
Can someone give me the latest doctrine on whether JWs believe any people ignorant of the 'truth' or not preached to will be also spared?
Or, is it anyone that is not in the ark of the org dead?
Need reference showing current teaching and not the lie at JW.org FAQ about salvation!
just wanted to chat with them and see how they think.
anything i should know before besides the basics?.
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@raymondfrantz
yeah. im meeting with a couple. no, they are wrong until proven right. i expect to achieve broadening my horizons. dont wanna start drinking kool aid anytime soon. however, they are less threatening, at least in their proclaimed beliefs. no heirarchy.
@all for show
filled out information form from www.internationalbiblestudents.com/ and one of them email me.
just wanted to chat with them and see how they think.
anything i should know before besides the basics?.
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Just wanted to chat with them and see how they think. Anything I should know before besides the basics?
