Posts by yxl1

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Answer to E-watchman re: Is questioning reporting time just nit-picking?

by truthseeker in

here is e-watchman's latest reply to a witness who is questoning why time has to be reported when it is not in the bible.

my reply is at the end of e-watchman's reply.

1. the wts claims it uses the bible as its "supreme authority".

yxl1

Fine post. Did you get a reply back from e-watchman? I've had a good read of his site, and although it is not your usual JW type, it still uses the "questions from readers" format to back its own aurgements.

Just a quick observation, How many Elders do you know that had the "qualifications" set out in 1 Timothy? The only similarity between Elders in my congregation and what Timothy wrote are: Having only one wife, and Not being a new convert. If anything, when 1 Timothy 3: 1-7 says what elders shouldnt be, it actually DESCRIBES elders; and where it tells what they should be like, it descibes no elder I have known.

You desciption of different situations within the organization, with reference to service hours, clearly shows the absurdity of basing ones spirituality on the "number of 60 minute intervals" counted. LOL

Thanks for the research. I will be bookmarking this thread to use at a later date!

yxl1

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Losing my Religion

by yxl1 in

ive always considered myself a christian.

even before i was roped into the world of dubs at the age of 7, i attended a baptist church.

it never entered my mind that the bible wasnt gods word and that jesus was or wasnt the son of god.

yxl1

Sine you reject the God of the Bible as the creator, then who is the creator? A God who only reveals through nature?

Nature is only one part of Gods word. It is the part of Gods word that we can see, but is based on his laws. The laws of physics, chemistry, math, etc etc. IMO, this is how God has reveals himself to us.

are you going to go about imagining that your ideas and comments on God are important and acurate?

The proof I have that God exists, may not be proof to another. My ideas and comments on God are important to ME and ME alone. If someone asks me, I will tell them. I'm not going to go from Door-toDoor telling people to hug trees or anything.

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Losing my Religion

by yxl1 in

ive always considered myself a christian.

even before i was roped into the world of dubs at the age of 7, i attended a baptist church.

it never entered my mind that the bible wasnt gods word and that jesus was or wasnt the son of god.

yxl1

Did you get pissed off ALL OVER AGAIN when you also found out the bible to be fallacious?

No. I'm still angry at the Dubs, but for different reasons. I probably should be a little pissed when I came to the conclusion that the Bible was just a story book, but it just didnt seem to matter anymore. I cant really explain it, but its just not important to me anymore.

I disagree with you whole-heartedly; but isn't it cool that we can do so and still love each other and talk and be friends?

Agreed. Also, wouldnt it be a little dull if we were all the same?

The pendulum has swung from the left to the right...............where will it stop?

Never, hopefully.

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Losing my Religion

by yxl1 in

ive always considered myself a christian.

even before i was roped into the world of dubs at the age of 7, i attended a baptist church.

it never entered my mind that the bible wasnt gods word and that jesus was or wasnt the son of god.

yxl1

What do you mean by this statement though?:

She conciders herself Christian and lives her life accordingly

Stink,

She follows the teachings of Christ, according to the NT. Prays to him, and believes in some form of afterlife.

I consider myself agnostic because I have no proof of a god of any sort.

I couldnt follow that path. To me, proof of God is all around us. The laws/rules of science prove to me of the existance of a creator.

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Losing my Religion

by yxl1 in

ive always considered myself a christian.

even before i was roped into the world of dubs at the age of 7, i attended a baptist church.

it never entered my mind that the bible wasnt gods word and that jesus was or wasnt the son of god.

yxl1

I’ve always considered myself a Christian. Even before I was roped into the world of Dubs at the age of 7, I attended a Baptist church. It never entered my mind that the Bible wasn’t Gods word and that Jesus was or wasn’t the Son of God. Even spending 15 years as a Jehovah’s wickedness (As my Auntie used to call them) I always had respect for almost all Christian religions.

Recently I decided to question my faith. I think it was a combination of conversations on this forum, my children asking me questions about life and death and recent press announcements regarding Christianity and homosexuality. I borrowed a “proper” bible from a friend, sat down and over two months read the thing from cover to cover. Genesis to Revelations. A God of vengeance, hatred and contradiction to a God that displays no logic at all.

Strangely, for the first time in my life, God came alive. I didn’t look for this to happen, it just hit me like a hammer. All the questions I had up to this point were answered in a way that the questions no longer seemed important. And for the first time I can now say that I am no longer a Christian. If anything the bible had detracted my attention away from God. It is nothing more than supernatural mythology that has been studied, twisted and used to control and abuse. I found myself laughing out loud at some of the absurdities found within its pages.

When I told my wife of my recent thoughts, she admitted that she was a little concerned. She conciders herself Christian and lives her life accordingly. Initially I found her concern rather strange, until she asked me if I believed in God. “I’d be a stupid man not to believe in God” was my answer. I explained that I felt no reason to follow ancient mythology, their codes and writings, when God has provided us with so much more. I don’t need a rulebook to tell me what is right and wrong. That in itself is a gift from God. Look around. Look at creation. Look at the heavens at night. Look at our Children. Look at the discovery’s of science. These things say more to me about our creator than any book, any religion or any man could.

I now truly do love my God for the first time in my life. Sorry for rambling.

yxl1

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Here is Blondie's "Comments You Won't Hear at the 9-14-03 WT Study"

by Gopher in

blondie and irreverent are away -- so blondie has asked me to post this in her absence.. so -- with great pleasure, i present to you:.

comments you will not hear at the 9-14-03 wt study.

reviewer comments are in black and parentheses ().

yxl1

Great post.

Knowing the truth enables us to recognize what is not true

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Another Watchtowerism?

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Yet another example of how silly the Bible is...

by Abaddon in

okay, let's go along with the flood story for a moment, to the point where noah exits the ark.. here we have noah, with two of each animal and seven of the clean animals; maybe a few dozen animals that were not essential to the future survival of the species.. what does god do?.

tells noah he can eat animals now.. are you telling me an all-wise, all-knowing god isn't capable of better planning than that?

which strikes you as more likely?

yxl1

I just want to point out that it's a generalization to claim that the whole bible is silly, based on individual stories therein.

Talking snake + Eve eats apple + Sins of Adam transferred to mankind + Angels and women copulate to produce giants + Noah’s flood + Jonah + Moses parts Red sea + Jesus born of a virgin + Jesus’ miracles + Jesus dying to cancel Adams sin + many many more fables = the whole bible is silly

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Former Elders, a Question

by StinkyPantz in

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friends

i have always been unclear as to why i was disfellowshipped.

i had my judicial meetings because i was dating a "worldly" guy.

i assume this because they never said i was "formally charged" with anything.

yxl1

Yeah they told my mom it was because of my attitude; but I told them that I still wanted to "serve Jehovah" and be a JW, so how could they justify their decision?

Unless you dumped your boyfriend, got down on all fours, wept, begged forgiveness AND said that you wanted to "serve Jehovah and be a JW" they dont need to justify their decision. You have gone against an unwritten rule and they must prevent others from following.

Before I had my JC, I was sure I wouldnt be disfellowshipped. One eyewitness stated she saw me smoking. Then she retracted her statement and said that she didnt see me smoking, but there was a lit cigerette on the table I was sitting (along with 3 other people). I was then disfellowshipped for my attitude. When I asked "What attitude? I said all along I wasnt smoking." Their answer? "Thats exactly the attitude we're talking about"!!

No matter how long and hard you dwell on this subject, it's a complete waste of time. The rules will always change to suit their own general feeling about you PERSONALLY. I was told that the only way I could be reinstated, was if I admitted to smoking even though by their own admission I wasnt disfellowshipped for smoking.

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Former Elders, a Question

by StinkyPantz in

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friends

i have always been unclear as to why i was disfellowshipped.

i had my judicial meetings because i was dating a "worldly" guy.

i assume this because they never said i was "formally charged" with anything.

yxl1

When I re-entered they told me that because my behaviour could stumble others, and I was disfellowshipped.

As far as these elders were concerned, you are putting your relationship with a worldly person before Jehovah. This is not the reason you have been disfellowshipped. I imagine they have used you as an example in an attempt to prevent others from following your path. To my knowledge there is no published ruling for disfellowshipping someone because of a non-sexual relationship with a non-Jehovahs witness. If you enquire to the reason you have been disfellowshipped, the elders will state that your relationship with this man was not the reason you were disfellowshipped, but it was because of your attitude. This seems to be a favourite, used when there is no biblical or even WatchTowerical reason for removing someone. It is impossible for an appeal comittee to judge facts when the reasons are based on the "attitude" of someone. In which case, they will always return in favor of the local elders.

Check out http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm for the following quote:

If, however, someone unrepentantly practices serious sins, such as drunkeness, stealing or adultery, he will be disfellowshipped and such an individual is avoided by former fellow-worshipers. Every effort is made to help wrongdoers. But if they are unrepentant, the congregation needs to be protected from their influence. The Bible clearly states: 'Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.' (1 Corinthians 5:13)

Its good to see that “every effort is made to help wrongdoers”. How long did they deliberate your case? 3 minutes. Ah, the loving care of Jehovah’s earthly organization always leaves me feeling warm and fuzzy inside!

yxl1

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Why Women Think Differently To Men...

by SYN in

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so what do you guys think of this article???

yxl1

I only get a huge blank square. Could you resubmit the post?