Posts by Magnum

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Governing body 12 from 1914 generation are dead who are the new members?

by Witness 007 in

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Magnum

I might be totally wrong, but that old group seemed to be really true believers. They also seemed to be more serious and scholarly. The new group is just a bunch of buffoons.

Maybe I feel that way about the old group because they were more hidden and mysterious. They received the Carl Olof Jonsson correspondence and research materials and, to me, didn't handle it as would a group who really loved truth. Their actions seemed to indicate that they were more interested in preserving the org and its status quo than they were finding real truth. Oh well, that's characteristic of the new group. Maybe they were no better.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

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this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Magnum

FFGhost,

... and don't forget 1Sa 15:3.

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Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

by Foolednomore in

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kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

cart preaching will replace door to door.

Magnum

LongHairGal,

Yeah, they could change their doctrine if they shrink considerably. For example, they could apply to themselves the passage about the love of the greater number cooling off and say they are just beginning to realize how great that number is. They could say they're paralleling the flood situation in which only a handful of people survived out of the whole population.

We know they change their doctrine to fit the situation. For example, we saw them change the "generation" doctrine in 1995 after the previous one was shown to be wrong.

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Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

by Foolednomore in

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friends

kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

cart preaching will replace door to door.

Magnum

ThomasMore, I totally agree with all of your post.

They are exposed now and cannot reverse the tide of bad PR, out of court settlements, dying old-timers and fading young ones. Even without the confusing doctrines that change more rapidly than members can digest, their brand looks like a documentary waiting to be made on failed religions.

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For years on this site, there's been talk of JWdom's continuing to exist indefinitely but shrinking down to a very small group of hardcore believers. I just don't see how that could happen because JW doctrine doesn't allow for that as does the doctrine of other groups who shrink and continue to exist.

JW doctrine is and has been based largely on end-times predictions of expansion and a great witnessing work - a covering of the earth with a bold witnessing work . How could JWdom shrink to a much smaller group with a puny preaching/warning work? That just can't fit JW doctrine; doctrine would have to be changed to allow for that.

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why are we interested in what is going on in the JW

by enoughisenough in

for the most of us, we have left the jws...and even though we are no longer jw, many of us are still interested in their beliefs, doctrines and practices as currently practiced.

i was trying to sort out in my mind why i still care about what they are doing.

i think the answer to that is a hope that something will develop in the jws that will wake up a lot of others, and selfishly, a lot of my friends.

Magnum

People are interested in all sorts of things - fictional and nonfictional. They are interested in and discuss many things from Game of Thrones to quantum physics.

JWdom affected some of us greatly; for some of us, it was our lives for decades. Some of us were extremely negatively affected by it. I think it's natural for one to be interested in something that played such a big role in his life. Hell, I'm still interested in the goings-on at my old high school.

In addition, the JWdom situation is real life. Observing the goings-on in JW land is a study in human nature, psychology, sociology, law, justice, religion, etc.

Also, I hate deception, phoniness, stupidity, self-righteousness, condescension, lies, corruption, unreasonableness, etc, and such abound in JW land. I have a strong sense of justice, and I love to see justice administered. I am eager to see it weaken and to see the reactions of the org as a whole and individual JWs.

And one more thing... the cult still has all my family members except my wife. The fact that some of us still have family in is further reason to be interested.

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Being embarrassed by a JW when you were a JW

by punkofnice in

i was out on the ministry(tm) in the 1980's when i was pie-on-earring.

i was only a lowly publisher(tm) being coached by a rather odd elder(tm).. one of the publications(tm) had recently mentioned japan and the growth(tm) of jws there.. the elder(tm), brother(tm) i was with offered the magazines(tm) to the householder(tm).. then he stated, 'there are (gave the reported numbers at the time.

i can't remember the number he stated), jehovah's witnesses(tm) in japan.'.

Magnum

slimboyfat:

Also embarrassed by the JWs who would insist on ostentatiously saying a group prayer before a meal in a restaurant.

That embarrassed me, too. Also, one time, a group prayer was said in a small hospital waiting room; it was really awkward and embarrassing.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Magnum

Hellothere: "Tony Morris got into GB at s time when organisation was still total deluded from reality."

That is an interesting observation. It used to be, when I was at my peak of zeal as a JW, that the org seemed to really care about the preaching work, about deeper doctrinal analysis, etc. Then it changed. The leaders, it seems, began to realize the game was over, and they entered survival mode.

Now, the org is simply reactive and no longer proactive. It no longer cares about the preaching work in the sense that it cares about bringing people in for good reasons. Now, the purpose of the preaching work is just to keep the flock under control and to give JWs the appearance that the work is continuing as normal.

So, now, the org is just concerned about PR, survival, marketing, defending itself legally, etc. The old JWdom is gone. Morris is, as you indicated, is a product of the old JWdom.

From now on, I think the org will look for the more low-key types like Cook (or Cooke?) and Fleegle (or Flagle or whatever his name is).

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The Lost Qos

by peacefulpete in

the names of the gods of palestine and surrounding regions are known to most of us only through the condemnations of the ot writers.

baal peor, hadad, chemosh, molech/milkom dagon, etc.

it is therefore surprising that the main deity of the sister nation to the south, edom is never mentioned.

Magnum

EdenOne, Very thought-provoking.

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The Lost Qos

by peacefulpete in

the names of the gods of palestine and surrounding regions are known to most of us only through the condemnations of the ot writers.

baal peor, hadad, chemosh, molech/milkom dagon, etc.

it is therefore surprising that the main deity of the sister nation to the south, edom is never mentioned.

Magnum

Oh, the crickets from me were unintentional; I just saw this. I'm EXTREMELY interested in this kind of material. In fact, I'm going to save this page for future reference. I'm going to try to look at all the info tonight (just skimmed it - at work now). I think some of us don't realize how many people see and are benefitted by what we post.

I take note of material like this, book recommendations, etc. that I see on this site. Thanks much!

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Anthony Moriss nervous breakdowns and Bethel stress!

by Witness 007 in

so karl klien of the governing body gave his life story in the watchtower talking about his stress, nervous breakdowns and pressure to take the lead.

it was aweful.

maybe anthony had the same problem..

Magnum

I skimmed through that old thread about Karl Klein. It was interesting; I want to read it completely later.

Maybe Anthony had the same problem.

Interesting, but I don't really see evidence of that. He seemed overconfident, too sure of himself; in fact, he seemed downright satisfied and arrogant. He seemed to love his position and to revel in it.

I'm leaning more towards something alcohol related and/or his being a loose canon and going off script too much and contributing to the waking up of the drones.