my big one was: .
rev.
20: 5 "but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
Passages such as 1Sa 15:3. We were told as JWs to try to picture Bible events in our minds. Picturing this would be worse than watching any R-rated horror movie I'm aware of.
Killing of infants & children? How did they kill the infants? Did they hack them with a sword? Stab them?
Slaughtering of innocent animals? As one who is concerned about animal welfare, I just can't see why a just God would have the animals slaughtered.
Try to picture this event and hear the screams and feel the pain.
dear friends,.
i think you all know me as a person who has always strived, despite my imperfections to only ever wanting to be and remain in the “truth”.
it is in fact what i so desperately want for my son ashton and my baby girl honey bee, to be lovers of truth and grow up to be a loyal servants of jehovah god and his son, jesus christ.
I'm not so sure it is too long. They need to have it detailed and spelled out to them. Even if they don't read it, it could be said they were served. If there did turn out to be some kind of higher being who administers justice, they won't be able to claim ignorance.
I was told I was supposed to read all their overly long shit for decades; hell, they can read this.
There's some good info in this letter; I'm saving it for my personal records.
ExBethelitenowPIMA,
fyi--.
& other personnel.
writing correspondence personnel, patterson, ny (incomplete).
What happened to J.R. Brown. I remember his being a JW rockstar a few decades ago. Now, I hear zero about him. Is he dead?
I might be totally wrong, but that old group seemed to be really true believers. They also seemed to be more serious and scholarly. The new group is just a bunch of buffoons.
Maybe I feel that way about the old group because they were more hidden and mysterious. They received the Carl Olof Jonsson correspondence and research materials and, to me, didn't handle it as would a group who really loved truth. Their actions seemed to indicate that they were more interested in preserving the org and its status quo than they were finding real truth. Oh well, that's characteristic of the new group. Maybe they were no better.
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
FFGhost,
... and don't forget 1Sa 15:3.
kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.
elders will play a much smaller role since csa.
cart preaching will replace door to door.
LongHairGal,
Yeah, they could change their doctrine if they shrink considerably. For example, they could apply to themselves the passage about the love of the greater number cooling off and say they are just beginning to realize how great that number is. They could say they're paralleling the flood situation in which only a handful of people survived out of the whole population.
We know they change their doctrine to fit the situation. For example, we saw them change the "generation" doctrine in 1995 after the previous one was shown to be wrong.
kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.
elders will play a much smaller role since csa.
cart preaching will replace door to door.
ThomasMore, I totally agree with all of your post.
They are exposed now and cannot reverse the tide of bad PR, out of court settlements, dying old-timers and fading young ones. Even without the confusing doctrines that change more rapidly than members can digest, their brand looks like a documentary waiting to be made on failed religions.
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For years on this site, there's been talk of JWdom's continuing to exist indefinitely but shrinking down to a very small group of hardcore believers. I just don't see how that could happen because JW doctrine doesn't allow for that as does the doctrine of other groups who shrink and continue to exist.
JW doctrine is and has been based largely on end-times predictions of expansion and a great witnessing work - a covering of the earth with a bold witnessing work . How could JWdom shrink to a much smaller group with a puny preaching/warning work? That just can't fit JW doctrine; doctrine would have to be changed to allow for that.
for the most of us, we have left the jws...and even though we are no longer jw, many of us are still interested in their beliefs, doctrines and practices as currently practiced.
i was trying to sort out in my mind why i still care about what they are doing.
i think the answer to that is a hope that something will develop in the jws that will wake up a lot of others, and selfishly, a lot of my friends.
People are interested in all sorts of things - fictional and nonfictional. They are interested in and discuss many things from Game of Thrones to quantum physics.
JWdom affected some of us greatly; for some of us, it was our lives for decades. Some of us were extremely negatively affected by it. I think it's natural for one to be interested in something that played such a big role in his life. Hell, I'm still interested in the goings-on at my old high school.
In addition, the JWdom situation is real life. Observing the goings-on in JW land is a study in human nature, psychology, sociology, law, justice, religion, etc.
Also, I hate deception, phoniness, stupidity, self-righteousness, condescension, lies, corruption, unreasonableness, etc, and such abound in JW land. I have a strong sense of justice, and I love to see justice administered. I am eager to see it weaken and to see the reactions of the org as a whole and individual JWs.
And one more thing... the cult still has all my family members except my wife. The fact that some of us still have family in is further reason to be interested.
i was out on the ministry(tm) in the 1980's when i was pie-on-earring.
i was only a lowly publisher(tm) being coached by a rather odd elder(tm).. one of the publications(tm) had recently mentioned japan and the growth(tm) of jws there.. the elder(tm), brother(tm) i was with offered the magazines(tm) to the householder(tm).. then he stated, 'there are (gave the reported numbers at the time.
i can't remember the number he stated), jehovah's witnesses(tm) in japan.'.
slimboyfat:
Also embarrassed by the JWs who would insist on ostentatiously saying a group prayer before a meal in a restaurant.
That embarrassed me, too. Also, one time, a group prayer was said in a small hospital waiting room; it was really awkward and embarrassing.
