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Judge Rutherford did not know he was under the New Covenant in... 1929
by objectivetruth inthe new covenant is the single most important, claim to fame that jehovah's witnesses (the governing body) have.
in the 2014 watchtower 10/15 "you will become a kingdom of priests" the watchtower says the following :.
"by means of the new covenant, both jews and uncircumcised gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of gods kingdom, because their circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.
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Judge Rutherford did not know he was under the New Covenant in... 1929
by objectivetruth inthe new covenant is the single most important, claim to fame that jehovah's witnesses (the governing body) have.
in the 2014 watchtower 10/15 "you will become a kingdom of priests" the watchtower says the following :.
"by means of the new covenant, both jews and uncircumcised gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of gods kingdom, because their circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.
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The New Covenant is the Single Most Important, claim to Fame that Jehovah's Witnesses (The Governing Body) have. In the 2014 Watchtower 10/15 "You will become a Kingdom of Priests" the Watchtower says the Following :
(Bullet Points are My Comments)
"By means of the new covenant, both Jews and uncircumcised Gentiles would have an equal opportunity to be heirs of God’s Kingdom, because their “circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code.” (Romans 2:29) God would put his laws in their mind and in their hearts. (Hebrews 8:10) The new covenant includes 144,000 anointed ones. They make up a new nation that is called “the Israel of God,” or spiritual Israel." - End Quote
- In this article the Watchtower is claiming that Jews and Gentiles have an Equal Oppurtunity to be Heirs of God's Kingdom. These know that they are heirs once their heart is Circumsised. The 144,000 is under the New Covenant.
In another Watchtower 2014 11/15 "Now you are God's People" States the Following :
"ON Pentecost of the year 33, Jehovah made a historic change. He created a new nation called “the Israel of God,” or spiritual Israel. (Galatians 6:16) Jehovah used his holy spirit to select the individual members of this nation."
"The first members of God’s new nation were the apostles and over a hundred other disciples of Christ who had met together in an upper room in Jerusalem. God poured out holy spirit on them, and they became sons of God." Par 11 “The conclusion of the system of things” began in 1914. At that time, there were only a few thousand anointed Christians on earth. During the war that began that year, these anointed “sons of the Kingdom” were still in captivity to Babylon the Great. But in 1919, Jehovah freed them, and the difference between these true Christians and false Christians became very clear." - End Quote
- The First Members of the New Covenant were able to Perform Miracles, and they Instantly Understood that they had been anointed as soon as the Holy Spirit came upon them. This Transformation was so Clear and Undeniable the Disciples would ask one another "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" he asked them. "No," they replied, "we haven't even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." Acts 19:2 - This Baptism by Holy Spirit is a Covenant and Once you're Under it YOU KNOW.
There were Thousands of Witnesses in 1929, supposedly all of them were members of the New Covenant.
With the Above Facts and Watchtower Quotes in Mind, Consider some statements made by J.F. Rutheford in the Year 1929.
"it is "with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah", that is to say, with those who are Jews because of being natural descendants of Israel and Judah, and who have faith in the promises which God made to the effect that through the house of Judah should the great Deliverer come; these are the ones with whom God will make the covenant. (Life Page 187 Published by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society)" - End Quote
- To Summarize this Quote : Natural Jew's who are Fleshly Descendant's of Israel & Judah, who Worship God, Will Be (In The Future) under the New Covenant.
- The Antithesis Summary : Gentiles (Non Fleshly Descendants of Israel and Judah) are not Under the New Covenant Now, nor will they be in the Future.
The Signifigance of this statement is that J.F. Rutherford did not Recognize that he or any other Jehovah's Witness was under the New Covenant, a Full TEN YEARS after it was supposedly bestowed upon the Governing Body (Faithful & Discreet Slave). Not only did they not Recognize they were Under it, they did not anticipate ever being under it.. Compare this to the Instantaneous Aknowledgement by the Jews mentioned in the New Testament.
If J.F. Rutherford and his fellow Watchtower Companions were the Individuals being questioned at Acts 19:2 the scripture would have read this way :
"Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" he asked them. "No," (Rutherford Speaking for them) replied," Acts 19:2
God's Covenant is not so weak and insignifigant that, someone would not know for at least ten years that they were under it. This is the New Covenant Here :
Jeremiah 31:33-34
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD : I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD ,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD . For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Rutherford was Correct in stating that the New Covenant is for a Future time, but Unfortunately the Light Got Much Dimmer for his Organization.
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New Article on BEARDS and Attire of Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwfacts ini have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.
it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.
i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.
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If an Elder questions your Beard in the Future you can provide this answer :
"Well Brother Elder,I do not want to be like a Man, who looks in the Mirror, and then Forgets who he is as James 1:24 cautions "for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was." You see Brother, a long time ago, when God Introduced Religion to Humans he gave them Commands, one of these commands was to "not trim off the hair on your temples or trim your beards." When James (A brother of Jesus) looked in a Mirror he Saw his Beard, and His Beard was a reminder that he was a Servant of Jehovah God. You see Brother Elder, in "Bible Times" shaving your Beard was a very Humiliating matter. Let me ask you a Question.. How would it look if I entered the Kingdom Hall with half of My Buttocks Showing, due to my Pants being Half Cut off ? Bearing my Butt Cheeks is the same as not having a Beard.. King David would certainly allow me to wear a Beard.. Will You?"
2 Samuel 10:4 "So Hanun took David's servants and shaved off half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle as far as their hips, and sent them away.5 When they told it to David, he sent to meet them, for the men were greatly humiliated. And the king said, "Stay at Jericho until your beards grow, and then return."…"
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New Article on BEARDS and Attire of Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwfacts ini have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.
it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.
i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.
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Jesus quoted the Talmud!
by objectivetruth in"for if one says to him: remove the mote from between your eyes, he would answer: remove the beam from between your eyes!
" - talmud - mas.
arachin 16b.
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From Rabbi Hillel : " asked by a prospective convert to Judaism to teach him the whole Torah while he stood on one leg, replied: 'That which is hateful unto you do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole of the Torah, The rest is commentary. Go forth and study." (Shabbat 31a)
From Jesus : " “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 7:12
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Jesus quoted the Talmud!
by objectivetruth in"for if one says to him: remove the mote from between your eyes, he would answer: remove the beam from between your eyes!
" - talmud - mas.
arachin 16b.
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Thanks Designs.. Are you by chance aware of any writings prior to 1 C.E. That Mention some one "Fulfilling the Law", while speaking or teaching? I have read that this was a common saying, and it's meaning was that someone Explained or Taught Torah well. I have not seen any examples yet though.
Thanks : )
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Jesus quoted the Talmud!
by objectivetruth in"for if one says to him: remove the mote from between your eyes, he would answer: remove the beam from between your eyes!
" - talmud - mas.
arachin 16b.
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objectivetruth
Good Question Fulltime, I suppose the Talmud did not necessarily exist in the first few decades CE in written form, only Orally. Perhaps this saying of removing the rafter was a common Saying used by Jesus and other Raabis of the past.
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Jesus quoted the Talmud!
by objectivetruth in"for if one says to him: remove the mote from between your eyes, he would answer: remove the beam from between your eyes!
" - talmud - mas.
arachin 16b.
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"for if one says to him: Remove the mote from between your eyes, he would answer: Remove the beam from between your eyes!" - Talmud - Mas. Arachin 16b
" Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?" - Matthew 7:3
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Interpolated portions of the Bible are responsible for JW mistakes and arrogance
by exWTslave inbible is a mixture of truth and untruth.
(jeremiah 7:22; 8:8; act 20:28-30) everything that falls in harmony with our experience is truth.
for example, every action has equal and opposite reaction.
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Jeremiah 19:5 "They built the high places of Baʹal in order to burn their sons in the fire as whole burnt offerings to Baʹal, something that I had not commanded or spoken of and that had never even come into my heart.”
and you shall slaughter the ram, and take some of its blood and put it on the lobe of Aaron's right ear and on the lobes of the right ears of his sons, and on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet, and dash the rest of the blood against all sides of the altar.
You can read the whole bloody mess in Exodus 29
Can anyone seriously believe that God made up this ritual Some of the prophets didn't seem to think so. "For in the day that I [the Lord of Hosts] brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices" [Jer 7:22 ] (If you want to check this out, don't use the NIV translation since it mistranslates this verse. The KJV and any of the standard versions are OK.) Hosea said "For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. [6:6] This is an important verse because Jesus cites it himself [Mat. 9:13 ].
7“Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, I will testify against you.
I am God, your God. 8Not for your sacrifices do I rebuke you; your burnt offerings are continually before me. 9I will not accept a bull from your house
or goats from your folds 10For every beast of the forest is mine, the cattle on a thousand hills. 11I know all the birds of the hills, and all that moves in the field is mine 12“If I were hungry, I would not tell you for the world and its fullness are mine 13Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats 14Offer to God a sacrifice of thanksgiving, and perform your vows to the Most High 15and call upon me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify me.”
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Interpolated portions of the Bible are responsible for JW mistakes and arrogance
by exWTslave inbible is a mixture of truth and untruth.
(jeremiah 7:22; 8:8; act 20:28-30) everything that falls in harmony with our experience is truth.
for example, every action has equal and opposite reaction.
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Exwtslave - You would probably enjoy this book. http://biblehub.com/library/unknown/the_clementine_homilies/
This book gives stories of Peter dealing with the same issues, you are talking about.
heres one to think about.. Why would Abraham argue with God over the destruction of Sodom, however say nothing about his own Son?
