DJS,
You are free not to believe in God (as wrongly presented by religions). However a time will come you will see God acting to benefit the whole world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKPwBliYJAE
abiather
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REASON demands belief in God
by abiather init has been the history of mankind that they proceed from the crude to the subtle in all spheres of life: they seek the subtle amidst the crude, and in the subtle, they seek the subtlest.
when hunger is extinguished, humans looked for art.
ancient humans appreciated the harmony of music; they also liked to dance in joy.
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End of the world—How and When—explained scientifically!
by abiather inend of the worldhow and whenexplained scientifically!.
problem with humans is that they dont learn from mistakes.
their greed has already spoiled air and water, and brought global warming which would ultimately sink most of the inhabited earth!.
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abiather
End of the world—How and When—explained scientifically!
Problem with humans is that they don’t learn from mistakes. Their greed has already spoiled air and water, and brought global warming which would ultimately sink most of the inhabited earth!
Now to make it worse (perhaps worst) they are now determined to use the weather as a weapon to subjugate the globe!
When humans precipitate the end of the world, see How God of the universe is going to RESPOND!
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REASON demands belief in God
by abiather init has been the history of mankind that they proceed from the crude to the subtle in all spheres of life: they seek the subtle amidst the crude, and in the subtle, they seek the subtlest.
when hunger is extinguished, humans looked for art.
ancient humans appreciated the harmony of music; they also liked to dance in joy.
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abiather
It has been the history of mankind that they proceed from the crude to the subtle in all spheres of life: they seek the subtle amidst the crude, and in the subtle, they seek the subtlest. When hunger is extinguished, humans looked for art. Ancient humans appreciated the harmony of music; they also liked to dance in joy. Their urge to seek the subtle amidst the crude was so great that, in the process, they evolved many kinds of rhythmic dance and rhythms. So was the case with music—from simple melodies they moved to the ocean of classics.
Through this continuous progress from the crude to the subtle, and from the subtle to the subtlest aspects of life, we look for eternal beauty. Those who attain such a state will no longer taste the beauty of anything: music and dance will no longer remain an object of experience for them –- because they will have attained a state so intoxicated with joy that they lose their limited identity, and their ability to experience anything.
Unfortunately, religious leaders stifled this innate desire of man to seek the Eternal through their thoughtless, childish stories and illustrations which unwittingly created distaste in thinking humans towards God. One of the religious leaders was even ready to admit this publicly: “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.” (Luke 8:9, 10) Such stories required many interpreters with many other illustrations to understand the original illustrations which ultimately results in warring sects numbering into thousands.
No wonder Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. …For me, the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24598856/ns/us_news-faith/t/einstein-letter-calls-bible-pretty-childish/#.VOQVJOaUcqM) "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call my self a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That , it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations." (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/nave-html/faithpathh/einstein.html)
This shows poor presentation of God by the religious leaders lies at the root of many losing their belief in God! REASON demands belief in God, the subtlest point, the center / The Substratum. Man is unable to grasp stories or histories that do not follow the principle of Cause and Effect. REASON demands that everything requires a cause!
No wonder that we have too many great people who rejected religions but accepted the belief in God—to mention a few: Albert Einstein, Alfred M. Mayer, Antony Flew, Alexander Pope, Adam Smith, Ahmad Kasravi, Benjamin Franklin, Brett Gurewitz, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Charles Lyell, Charles Sanders Peirce, Colin Maclaurin, Dmitri Mendeleev, Ethan Allen, Edward Herbert, 1st Baron Herbert of Cherbury, Elihu Palmer, Émilie du Châtelet, Ernest Rutherford, Frederick the Great, Friedrich Schiller, Gottfried Leibniz, Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, George Washington, Harish-Chandra, Harmony Korine, Henrik Wergeland, Hermann Weyl, Humphry Davy James Heckman, James Hutton, James Madison, James Watt, Jean Baptiste Lamarck, Jean le Rond D’Alembert, John Muir, John Toland, John Locke, José Rizal, Jules Verne, Ludwig Boltzmann, Luis Walter Alvarez, Lysander Spooner, Mark Twain, Martin Gardner, Matthew Tindal, Max Born, Max Planck, Maximilien Robespierre, Mikhail Lomonosov, Moses Mendelssohn, Napoleon Bonaparte, Neil Armstrong, Nick Cave, Paul Davies, Robert Hooke, Simon Newcomb, Thomas Alva Edison, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Victor Hugo, Voltaire, Walter Kohn, Wernher von Braun, William Lloyd Garrison, William Hogarth, Wolfgang Pauli ……….
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Why Armageddon Now?
by Garrett ini've been thinking and here's what i've come up with.
correct me if i'm wrong, but in the bible does it not state that the word would have to be preached throughout the entire inhabited earth for a witness to all people and then the end would come?.
with the world being as vast as it is today, it would be practically impossible for the witnesses to speak to everyone in the world.
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Apostle Paul expected armagedon to come in the FIRST CENTURY: "These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come."--1 Corinthians 10:11 -
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Religion is nothing but bad ideas
by freemindfade inin light of the continuing disgusting acts by isis... just remember.
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The very concept of apostates (or paganism) is at the root of problem. Religion can thrive only on such notions, yet they have to fail in their proclaimed goal. Because it is cosmic law that EGO (whether individual or collective) must fail. -
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Tower of Babel—unlikely to be a true account!
by abiather inwhen his children want to construct a tower that reaches to the heavens, heavenly father is unlikely to respond, saying: nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.
(gen 11:6, 7).
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abiather
Footnote.
*We have in the history example of people who have selflessly helped others to progress in life*. One such spectacular example is of India’s living legendary singer Dr. K J Jesusdas (who was disfellowshed from Catholic Church for singing devotional songs of other religions—an act that led him into Hinduism http://www.drkjyesudas.com/). His message is his life. His father died leaving him only financial liabilities. When he wanted to learn classical music, and sought financial help from his Diocesan Bishop, he was sent back in ridicule. But he came up in life by his own effort, and became almost like an Emperor among singers in India. He was being given all the awards for the best singers, finally he decided not to accept any awards from any organization so that others receive them. Now he even decided to stay away from singing for films so that new comers would have opportunities.
Now something in particular. When he became very busy, all his studio recordings were done without him, but with his part being sung by a substitute (track singer). Then later, Jesusdas would come and sing, and replace the portion sung by the substitute. In the final mixing, it will look as if it was sung with all the orchestra at the same time! One day when he heard the recording of the song sung by the substitute, he found it was perfect., and requested the Film Director to accept that song sung by the substitute for the film, which gave rise to another famous singer Mr. Unni Menon (http://www.unnimenonsinger.com/).
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Tower of Babel—unlikely to be a true account!
by abiather inwhen his children want to construct a tower that reaches to the heavens, heavenly father is unlikely to respond, saying: nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.
(gen 11:6, 7).
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abiather
When His children want to construct “a tower that reaches to the heavens,” Heavenly Father is UNLIKELY to respond, saying: “nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” (Gen 11:6, 7)
If this account is true, that would mean God is envious of His own creation (lower beings) which is intrinsically impossible. We have in the history many examples of people who have selflessly helped others to progress in life. [One is given below as footnote]
If some of humans (who were created in God’s image) could appreciate and help others to progress, how much more God would do the same! He would only be too happy to help His children accomplish their goals. This shows the Bible account of Tower of Babel and subsequent confusing of the language may have never happened. [Moreover, effect of confusing of language extends to rest of the humanity who are no way connected with the incident—what a wastage and global difficulty it caused—something God will unlikely do]. Here God is portrayed as one who intervenes in the affairs of mankind for a WRONG and debased cause! Hence such account must be interpolation.
For God to intervene in the affairs of mankind, there should be sufficient reason! God knows the message humans in general send out through their action. They turn to God only when they are in some need (which means they don’t need God when things go well with them). In other words, God needs to intervene only when humanity as a whole faces its extinction! That means we are now in the last days!
When we saw the effect of Hiroshima-Nagasaki bombings, we thought this may be the way world would end sometime in the future. Now we know that even without another World War and even without the use of any bombs, global warming (due to our reckless pollution and deforestation) would do that job. Root-cause is unlikely to change—the change that has come in our relationships (with fellow humans, God and nature)—common thread is exploitation!
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When does God intervene in the affairs of mankind?
by abiather inthough many sages have tried to describe god and his purpose, the best they could do was to declare neti, neti (not this, not this).
to the question of god, even buddha responded with silence!
jesus declared: truth will set you free but did not say what that truth is!
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abiather
Cofty,
You use the word SCIENCE as if it is an ultimate weapon near which no one can come talking about intuition. Even Einstein has gone on record saying intuition preceded most of his scientific accomplishments!
For an intuitive mind, whether it is the individual human body or the larger cosmic body, essentially, they are made of five elements – earth, water, fire, air and space. In this, the first four elements are the active participants – space is the catalytic force. It is in the lap of this boundless space that these four elements play the game. So, the pancha bhutas are the five elements of nature.
What you call “myself” is just a mischief of these five elements. If you want to realize the full potential of this mechanism that you call a human being or if you want to transcend this one and become one with the larger, cosmic mechanism, you need their cooperation. Unless you have a certain amount of mastery over these five elements you cannot enjoy life.
If these five elements don’t cooperate, you can struggle as much as you want, nothing happens. Only with their cooperation, from the basic aspects to the highest aspect, your life becomes a possibility. This human system is like a doorway. A door has two aspects to it – if you are always facing closed doors, for you doors mean that which stops you. If doors are opening up for you, then for you a door means a possibility of entering into something. In either case, it is the same door; which side of the door you are on decides everything about your life, even in terms of time and space. Whether you experience this body as a great possibility or a great barrier simply depends on the extent these five elements are cooperating.
Whether this individual physical body becomes a stepping stone for your ultimate possibility or a hurdle towards that essentially depends on how you are able to deal with these five elements. What you are right now is just a little bit of earth, water, air and temperature. All the ingredients are out there in the garden; it just takes a little divine touch to make these four things into a throbbing human being.
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When does God intervene in the affairs of mankind?
by abiather inthough many sages have tried to describe god and his purpose, the best they could do was to declare neti, neti (not this, not this).
to the question of god, even buddha responded with silence!
jesus declared: truth will set you free but did not say what that truth is!
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Cofty,
Five elements are the part of the intuitive explanations of the physical structure of the world! It’s more of philosophical than physical.
Look at our bodies! We find in them solids, liquids, body-heat, air-circulation and space (or ether) they all occupy. Human body is exact representation of the physical world we find outside. Hence the ancient people taught physical world—including our physical bodies—are made of panchabhoothas (five basic or primordial elements): Land, Water, Fire, Air and Ether (or space—for example atoms are 99.999999999999 % empty space; and universe too is more of space than objects floating in it) and is called prapancha (meaning the play and interaction of the five elements) in Sanskrit.
The point I wanted to highlight was not the division into 5 elements, but their relationship with each other. These five elements are individually inimical to each other. For example, water of oceans can swallow earth, fire can evaporate the water, air can suck fire … etc. Yet they are collectively supportive, working for the sustenance of all inanimate and animate beings. Thus they make our lives enjoyable! This is a silent lesson the five elements teach the intelligent humans that they should be more and more supportive to each other despite the diverse variety in their geography, race, religion, nationality, thinking, attitude, likes and dislikes!
These five physical elements have their emergent properties or corresponding sensations: Smell, Taste, Light, Sound and Pressure (or touch). And there are five corresponding sense-organs in living beings to experience them: Nose, Tongue, Eyes, Ears and Skin. We can list living beings into five general categories: ONE-SENSED Plants able to feel pressure through their skin; TWO-SENSED Worms able to feel pressure through their skin and taste through their tongue; THREE-SENSED Insects able to feel pressure, taste, and smell through their skin, tongue and nose respectively; FOUR-SENSED Reptiles able to feel pressure, taste, smell and sight through their skin, tongue, nose and eyes respectively; and FIVE-SENSED Birds & Animals able to feel pressure, taste, smell, sight and sound through their skin, tongue, nose, eyes and ears respectively.
Hence, better not to get struck with the word. Neither ether nor space is a correct translation of the Sanskrit word akash! Interestingly, no one has coined a correct word so far! In sanskrit, akash means much more than space!
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When does God intervene in the affairs of mankind?
by abiather inthough many sages have tried to describe god and his purpose, the best they could do was to declare neti, neti (not this, not this).
to the question of god, even buddha responded with silence!
jesus declared: truth will set you free but did not say what that truth is!
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jwleaks
Enjoyed your wit. Yet it conceals the frustration that God will never intervene in the affairs of mankind. He will at the appropriate time.
When Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, people thought the world will end one day in a massive use of bombs of all types. Now emission into the atmosphere by our industries and automobiles are going to do the work of ending the civilization on earth sooner than expected. Before that happens, God would intervene!